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04-06-2017, 07:25 AM
RE: Trouble on London Bridge
(04-06-2017 02:14 AM)TheUnholy Wrote:  ISIS and other Jihadist tend to get far more aggressive during their holy month of ramadan since all the "good deeds" are multiplied by 70 times. fuckers!

The Muslim inmates we have (most of the max population) mostly just want to sleep all day during Ramadan. Convenient for the day shift. But then when it's time for their evening breaking of the fast they wake up all bitchy and confrontational.

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04-06-2017, 07:29 AM
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The Met have arrested 12 people in Barking in East London. Shortly before noon on Sunday, police raided a block of flats in the area where at least one of the suspects is thought to have lived.

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04-06-2017, 07:44 AM
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A quote by Theresa May:

Quote:... we cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed. Yet that is precisely what the internet β€” and the big companies that provide internet-based services β€” provide. We need to work with allied, democratic governments to reach international agreements that regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremism and terrorist planning. And we need to do everything we can at home to reduce the risks of extremism online.
Sounds a lot like government monitoring of internet communications. I know they do that now, but obviously it wasn't good enough to stop this attack.

Quote:... while we need to deprive the extremists of their safe spaces online, we must not forget about the safe spaces that continue to exist in the real world. Yes, that means taking military action to destroy ISIS in Iraq and Syria. But it also means taking action here at home. While we have made significant progress in recent years, there is, to be frank, far too much tolerance of extremism in our country.
Mosques are rife with anti-western diatribes spewed out on a daily basis; calls for jihad and death to the infidel are the norm, not the exception. "Masood Azhar, today the head of one of Pakistan's most violent militant groups, was once the VIP guest of Britain's leading Islamic scholars." Which leads to the obvious question: why are "peaceful" Muslims not coming forward to the authorities when they hear such exhortations to kill Westerners?
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04-06-2017, 07:56 AM
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(04-06-2017 07:44 AM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  Which leads to the obvious question: why are "peaceful" Muslims not coming forward to the authorities when they hear such exhortations to kill Westerners?

Fear of both parties?

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04-06-2017, 07:58 AM
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(04-06-2017 07:56 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(04-06-2017 07:44 AM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  Which leads to the obvious question: why are "peaceful" Muslims not coming forward to the authorities when they hear such exhortations to kill Westerners?

Fear of both parties?

Could very well be.
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04-06-2017, 08:01 AM
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Just saw another quote by May (perhaps I missed it before):

Quote:β€œIt is an ideology that claims our Western values and freedom, democracy and human rights are incompatible with the religion of Islam.”
Source: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/...illed.html

What this means in practice is another question altogether.
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04-06-2017, 08:48 AM
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(04-06-2017 07:56 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(04-06-2017 07:44 AM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  Which leads to the obvious question: why are "peaceful" Muslims not coming forward to the authorities when they hear such exhortations to kill Westerners?

Fear of both parties?

Or we don't notice when they do. The Manchester attacker was reported to the relevant authorities. Several times. By fellow Muslims.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-25...fmredir=sm

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/24/muslim-com...o-6659964/
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04-06-2017, 08:53 AM
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(04-06-2017 08:48 AM)tomilay Wrote:  
(04-06-2017 07:56 AM)Dom Wrote:  Fear of both parties?

Or we don't notice when they do. The Manchester attacker was reported to the relevant authorities. Several times. By fellow Muslims.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-25...fmredir=sm

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/24/muslim-com...o-6659964/

Wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info.
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04-06-2017, 09:24 AM
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(04-06-2017 08:53 AM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  
(04-06-2017 08:48 AM)tomilay Wrote:  Or we don't notice when they do. The Manchester attacker was reported to the relevant authorities. Several times. By fellow Muslims.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-25...fmredir=sm

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/24/muslim-com...o-6659964/

Wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info.

This seems to be a recurring theme, the Manchester attacker was reported, had been to Libya prior to the bombing, but was not apprehended, I am not familiar with police procedure, but such reporting should have warranted an arrest or at least closer surveillance of him, but perhaps it wasn't enough for legal action

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04-06-2017, 09:34 AM
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(04-06-2017 09:24 AM)Cypher44 Wrote:  ... I am not familiar with police procedure, but such reporting should have warranted an arrest or at least closer surveillance of him, but perhaps it wasn't enough for legal action

I can't and won't speak for the Met, Scotland Yard, MI-5 or MI-6, but I do know that the police in my local area are very good at avoiding work. Currently I'm involved in discussions with the local police chief as to why certain fundamental procedures regarding a traffic accident weren't followed and certain charges weren't laid when they were clearly warranted.

Of course, a traffic accident and possible terrorism are light-years apart in importance, but the principle may be the same: avoidance of paperwork. Could it be that the attackers weren't apprehended because someone just didn't want to do the work? I have no idea. Time will tell; there'll undoubtedly be hard questions raised why the attackers weren't apprehended in advance if the police knew what was coming.
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