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20-09-2017, 02:20 PM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 08:03 AM)BikerDude Wrote:  There is a constant and ongoing maligning of the constitution on this board.

What? You think it's some sorta sacred text or something? I don't hold any text sacred, especially one written by a bunch of old white men who liked to get drunk and prance about in wigs and women's clothing while designing socio-economic experiments. When I took the oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, on 3 separate occasions now, I wasn't swearing to defend some 250 year old words written on the skin of dead sheep, I swore to defend the principles it embodied, not the text. I don't worship anything, I sure as shit ain't gonna worship some particular codification of a socio-economic framework. Some of you fuckers have just replaced the Bible with the Constitution. It's like you just gotta have something to worship.

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20-09-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 04:30 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Life sucks, then you die. Get over it.

So far as I can tell, that's not possible. John Edward to the contrary, of course.

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20-09-2017, 02:44 PM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 08:07 AM)BikerDude Wrote:  I never thought that I'd be witness to a new left that puts freedom of speech in Jeopardy.

There is no American "left" anymore.
What was left of it died sometime during the Reagan era.

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20-09-2017, 02:51 PM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 08:20 AM)BikerDude Wrote:  Once again. It is not about a need. It is about a right.
I don't need guns but I believe that I have the right to them and should have the right to them. It is about the relationship of the citizen to the government.
Ok? Got it? Choose for yourself but not for others.

As an anarchist I agree with that sentiment, but it's a mistake to imagine that it's the Constitution that allows you to choose for yourself.
The Constitution is a set of rules chosen by others, long dead, that are applied to you, me, and everyone else in this country, by those in positions of power, as they find it advantageous to do so.

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20-09-2017, 03:18 PM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 02:51 PM)Dr H Wrote:  
(20-09-2017 08:20 AM)BikerDude Wrote:  Once again. It is not about a need. It is about a right.
I don't need guns but I believe that I have the right to them and should have the right to them. It is about the relationship of the citizen to the government.
Ok? Got it? Choose for yourself but not for others.

As an anarchist I agree with that sentiment, but it's a mistake to imagine that it's the Constitution that allows you to choose for yourself.
The Constitution is a set of rules chosen by others, long dead, that are applied to you, me, and everyone else in this country, by those in positions of power, as they find it advantageous to do so.

The Constitution does, at least in theory, also guarantee certain rights. In Biker Dude's defense (not that he needs any defending from me), I think he's more concerned with that part of it than the "rules" part.
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20-09-2017, 04:29 PM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 03:18 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(20-09-2017 02:51 PM)Dr H Wrote:  As an anarchist I agree with that sentiment, but it's a mistake to imagine that it's the Constitution that allows you to choose for yourself.
The Constitution is a set of rules chosen by others, long dead, that are applied to you, me, and everyone else in this country, by those in positions of power, as they find it advantageous to do so.

The Constitution does, at least in theory, also guarantee certain rights. In Biker Dude's defense (not that he needs any defending from me), I think he's more concerned with that part of it than the "rules" part.

So does the German Constitution, so does every Constitution. Hell, when I read Articles 1-19 of their Constitution, I like some aspects of it better than my own.

Basic Rights
Art. 1 [Human dignity – Human rights – Legally binding force of basic rights]
Art. 2 [Personal freedoms]
Art. 3 [Equality before the law]
Art. 4 [Freedom of faith and conscience]
Art. 5 [Freedom of expression, arts and sciences]
Art. 6 [Marriage – Family – Children]
Art. 7 [School system]
Art. 8 [Freedom of assembly]
Art. 9 [Freedom of association]
Art. 10 [Privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications]
Art. 11 [Freedom of movement]
Art. 12 [Occupational freedom]
Art. 12a [Compulsory military and alternative civilian service]
Art. 13 [Inviolability of the home]
Art. 14 [Property – Inheritance – Expropriation]
Art. 15 [Socialisation]
Art. 16 [Citizenship – Extradition]
Art. 16a [Right of asylum]
Art. 17 [Right of petition]
Art. 17a [Restriction of basic rights in specific instances]
Art. 18 [Forfeiture of basic rights]
Art. 19 [Restriction of basic rights – Legal remedies]

A problem I have with many of these "Constitutionalists", is that they just assume that the US has the bestest, most beautifulest Constitution ever without ever having bothered to read, or even recognize the fact, that hey, other countries got Constitutions too. (Another problem I have is that many of them have never even read our own Constitution, and of those that tried, many failed to comprehend what they were reading.)

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20-09-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 04:30 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Cry me a river.

Life sucks, then you die. Get over it.

Be the person you're going to be, Banjy. Sometimes lessons come hard, and to some harder than others.

Enjoy yourself, brotha.
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21-09-2017, 12:34 AM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 04:29 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(20-09-2017 03:18 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  The Constitution does, at least in theory, also guarantee certain rights. In Biker Dude's defense (not that he needs any defending from me), I think he's more concerned with that part of it than the "rules" part.

So does the German Constitution, so does every Constitution. Hell, when I read Articles 1-19 of their Constitution, I like some aspects of it better than my own.

Basic Rights
Art. 1 [Human dignity – Human rights – Legally binding force of basic rights]

A problem I have with many of these "Constitutionalists", is that they just assume that the US has the bestest, most beautifulest Constitution ever without ever having bothered to read, or even recognize the fact, that hey, other countries got Constitutions too. (Another problem I have is that many of them have never even read our own Constitution, and of those that tried, many failed to comprehend what they were reading.)

Afaik the US constitution has (in hindsight, from a 21st century PoV) a single major flaw compared to many other, more recent and modern constitutions (not only the german one): It fails to mention human rights.

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21-09-2017, 12:42 AM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(20-09-2017 03:18 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(20-09-2017 02:51 PM)Dr H Wrote:  As an anarchist I agree with that sentiment, but it's a mistake to imagine that it's the Constitution that allows you to choose for yourself.
The Constitution is a set of rules chosen by others, long dead, that are applied to you, me, and everyone else in this country, by those in positions of power, as they find it advantageous to do so.

The Constitution does, at least in theory, also guarantee certain rights. In Biker Dude's defense (not that he needs any defending from me), I think he's more concerned with that part of it than the "rules" part.

And not in his defence, he can't conceive of altering the constitution. At least the part that he cares about. Which is ironic, considering that it was an amendment in the first place.

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21-09-2017, 11:13 AM
RE: Trump Appellate Nominee Says Her Religion Supersedes the Constitution
(21-09-2017 12:34 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Afaik the US constitution has (in hindsight, from a 21st century PoV) a single major flaw compared to many other, more recent and modern constitutions (not only the german one): It fails to mention human rights.

Yes, pretty glaring omission isn't it?

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