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25-05-2017, 06:27 AM
Trump Organization: "Not Practical" to comply with Constitutional Requiirements
Atlantic: Trump Organization Won't Track All Foreign Government Payments, calls it 'not practical'
Quote:Days before taking office, Donald Trump said his company would donate all profits from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury, part of an effort to avoid even the appearance of a conflict with the Constitution’s emoluments clause.

Now, however, the Trump Organization is telling Congress that determining exactly how much of its profits come from foreign governments is simply more trouble than it’s worth.

In response to a document request from the House Oversight Committee, Trump’s company sent a copy of an eight-page pamphlet detailing how it plans to track payments it receives from foreign governments at the firm’s many hotels, golf courses, and restaurants across the globe. But while the Trump Organization said it would set aside all money it collects from customers that identify themselves as representing a foreign government, it would not undertake a more intensive effort to determine if a payment would violate the Constitution’s prohibition on public office holders accepting an “emolument” from a foreign state.

“To fully and completely identify all patronage at our Properties by customer type is impractical in the service industry and putting forth a policy that requires all guests to identify themselves would impede upon personal privacy and diminish the guest experience of our brand,” the Trump Organization wrote in its policy pamphlet, which the company’s chief compliance officer said had been distributed to general managers and senior officials at all of its properties.

The statement drew an angry response from the top Democrat on the Oversight Committee, Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland, who said the policy “raised grave concerns about the president’s refusal to comply with the Constitution.” In a letter replying to the company, Cummings said it would be easy for a government like Russia to funnel money to the Trump Organization through unofficial entities, such as RT, its state-run television station. “Those payments would not be tracked in any way and would be hidden from the American public,” the Democrat wrote.

While the committee’s Republican, Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah, joined Cummings in the original request for documents from the Trump Organization, he did not sign the latest missive in response. Chaffetz has announced he will resign from Congress at the end of June. A spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Wednesday.

In a statement accompanying his letter, Cummings said the president had two options if his company could not adequately track payments from foreign governments. One would be to do what Democrats and independent ethics officials have long urged: fully divest from his businesses. Short of that, Trump could submit a proposal to Congress asking for its consent to a different arrangement.

The president has given no indication he intends to do so, and his attorneys have described his decision to donate foreign government profits to the Treasury as voluntary, since they argue the president is not subject to the emoluments clause of other conflicts-of-interest laws governing most federal employees. Ethics experts in both parties, however, have disagreed with that interpretation. “Rep. Cummings is right,” tweeted Noah Bookbinder, the executive director of the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “This is a wholly inadequate response to the president’s constitutional violations.”

TLDR: Back when we weren't all worried about Russian ties, but still worried about the President getting money from foreign governments in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, Trump said he'd donate all money he made from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury. Now his company says they can't be bothered to do that because it would be impractical to try and track that many payments and would infringe on the privacy of the guests at their hotels.

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25-05-2017, 06:34 AM
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Where did I hear a story like that before? Oh yeah, Trump's taxes!

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25-05-2017, 06:42 AM
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You mean the ones he can't release because he's under audit, but he has no trouble possibly passing the Russians classified intel? Or how in a phone call with the President of the Philippines, how he told him exactly where US nuclear subs are in the Pacific? Those taxes we can't see? Wink

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25-05-2017, 07:10 AM
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(25-05-2017 06:42 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  You mean the ones he can't release because he's under audit, but he has no trouble possibly passing the Russians classified intel? Or how in a phone call with the President of the Philippines, how he told him exactly where US nuclear subs are in the Pacific? Those taxes we can't see? Wink

Don't forget about how he also congratulated Durtete on his fabulously successful anti-drug program!

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25-05-2017, 07:13 AM
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(25-05-2017 06:42 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  You mean the ones he can't release because he's under audit, but he has no trouble possibly passing the Russians classified intel? Or how in a phone call with the President of the Philippines, how he told him exactly where US nuclear subs are in the Pacific? Those taxes we can't see? Wink

He is lying about that, the IRS has consistently said it is NOT illegal to release your taxes while under audit.

The U.K. is pissed at Trump about the Manchester bombing.

Trump "I ddn't leak the intel"

Not the point. Trump's 5 years of bullshit, and year of scapegoating and attacking intel during his run and even in office, has eroded confidence in the intel community and with our allies.

Trump leaked intel himself so that sets a very bad tone regardless.

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25-05-2017, 09:24 AM
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(25-05-2017 06:27 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Atlantic: Trump Organization Won't Track All Foreign Government Payments, calls it 'not practical'
Quote:Days before taking office, Donald Trump said his company would donate all profits from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury, part of an effort to avoid even the appearance of a conflict with the Constitution’s emoluments clause.

Now, however, the Trump Organization is telling Congress that determining exactly how much of its profits come from foreign governments is simply more trouble than it’s worth.

In response to a document request from the House Oversight Committee, Trump’s company sent a copy of an eight-page pamphlet detailing how it plans to track payments it receives from foreign governments at the firm’s many hotels, golf courses, and restaurants across the globe. But while the Trump Organization said it would set aside all money it collects from customers that identify themselves as representing a foreign government, it would not undertake a more intensive effort to determine if a payment would violate the Constitution’s prohibition on public office holders accepting an “emolument” from a foreign state.

“To fully and completely identify all patronage at our Properties by customer type is impractical in the service industry and putting forth a policy that requires all guests to identify themselves would impede upon personal privacy and diminish the guest experience of our brand,” the Trump Organization wrote in its policy pamphlet, which the company’s chief compliance officer said had been distributed to general managers and senior officials at all of its properties.

The statement drew an angry response from the top Democrat on the Oversight Committee, Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland, who said the policy “raised grave concerns about the president’s refusal to comply with the Constitution.” In a letter replying to the company, Cummings said it would be easy for a government like Russia to funnel money to the Trump Organization through unofficial entities, such as RT, its state-run television station. “Those payments would not be tracked in any way and would be hidden from the American public,” the Democrat wrote.

While the committee’s Republican, Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah, joined Cummings in the original request for documents from the Trump Organization, he did not sign the latest missive in response. Chaffetz has announced he will resign from Congress at the end of June. A spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Wednesday.

In a statement accompanying his letter, Cummings said the president had two options if his company could not adequately track payments from foreign governments. One would be to do what Democrats and independent ethics officials have long urged: fully divest from his businesses. Short of that, Trump could submit a proposal to Congress asking for its consent to a different arrangement.

The president has given no indication he intends to do so, and his attorneys have described his decision to donate foreign government profits to the Treasury as voluntary, since they argue the president is not subject to the emoluments clause of other conflicts-of-interest laws governing most federal employees. Ethics experts in both parties, however, have disagreed with that interpretation. “Rep. Cummings is right,” tweeted Noah Bookbinder, the executive director of the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “This is a wholly inadequate response to the president’s constitutional violations.”

TLDR: Back when we weren't all worried about Russian ties, but still worried about the President getting money from foreign governments in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, Trump said he'd donate all money he made from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury. Now his company says they can't be bothered to do that because it would be impractical to try and track that many payments and would infringe on the privacy of the guests at their hotels.

I don't see a problem here. If the company don't want to reveal or just don't know where there profit comes from, then they should take the ethical action in the spirit of the law and hand over all of their profits. That way no extra work is generated and no hotel guest's privacy is affected.

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25-05-2017, 09:30 AM
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(25-05-2017 07:13 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  The U.K. is pissed at Trump about the Manchester bombing.

Trump "I didn't leak the intel"
It happened on his watch; the buck stops there.

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25-05-2017, 12:34 PM
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Don't think that intel organizations all over the world didn't note Trump's braggadocio with the Russians, outing what was apparently an Israeli source, and have not taken their trust in US intel down about ten notches. Leaks happen, and this one may well not have been Trump's doing, but I think this leak plus the knowledge that Trump can blurt out anything at any time, are together enough for May to put the Trump "administration" on notice in a very concrete fashion. And I would imagine that British intel would be pressuring her to take a hard line for the same reasons that the US intel community determined to take Trump down shortly after his inauguration. More and more components of more and more governments are seeing the Orange Sphincter for what he is, and are set against him. Too bad, so sad.
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