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11-03-2016, 05:02 PM
RE: Trump Rally goes Thunderdome
(11-03-2016 03:15 PM)carol Wrote:  I started with his intro, then looked down the line at the general posts over the years- did not have to read each one, but read several hours of them. No assholeness...bright, well read, thoughtful...I do not understand The 'why" behind it though- bored? trolling or joking or testing people?..just fucking with people?

Vosur, what why ?
The primary motivation behind it was curiosity. I've been following the U.S. presidential race with great interest for about half a year now. I wasn't lying when I said that it is unlike anything I've ever seen in politics before. The political system we have in Germany is very boring for the average citizen. We don't even get to vote directly for our head of state so it's very difficult for personality cults to follow the way they do in the US. Both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have their own fiercely loyal personality cults and while I think that neither of them are fit to be president, I'm fascinated by their ability to manipulate the masses into supporting them based on unrealistic promises. Their rallies are attended by thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of people, something that none of the other candidates in this election cycle have been able to achieve.

I spend most of my day at work reading posts on the forums of Sanders and Trump supporters and watching the rallies and debates of these candidates (though I have to say that the Democratic debates make for lousy entertainment). Based on that experience, I know that the (online) supporters of both candidates are very protective of them and react with varying degrees of hostility if either their candidate is attacked or the candidate from the other political spectrum is promoted as a better alternative. I was curious to see what would happen if I advocated for Trump in a place that I knew to be politically liberal and most likely supportive of Bernie (It was only an assumption at first, but it turned out to be true later on). I started out mildly at first and didn't get much of a reaction as a result, but I found that the more outlandishly and aggressively I pushed for him, the more hostile the people here would become. Unfortunately for me, long-time members of this forum like Dom started to notice the sudden change in behavior and then GirlyMan sealed the deal by repeatedly calling me out on it.

Anyway, my money is still on Trump for the White House. I don't think he should become president, but the longer I follow this race, the more inevitable his presidency seems to me. Just like GirlyMan said, I know all about nationalistic populist leaders and believe me when I say that their rise to power is very difficult to stop once they get going. "You Can't Stump The Trump" isn't just a meme, it's a reality of this election cycle. His movement consists of the most loyal people I've ever seen and it only grows stronger with every passing day. There was a point in time when he could have been stopped, but that point has long passed.

I sincerely hope for all of my American friends that the anti-establishment movement that Bernie and Trump started will give birth to an outsider candidate who can offer a moderate alternative to their extreme left-wing and right-wing positions.

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11-03-2016, 05:03 PM
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(11-03-2016 04:55 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(11-03-2016 04:35 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Trump: 'There used to be consequences' for protesting


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11-03-2016, 05:15 PM
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(11-03-2016 05:02 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Just like GirlyMan said, I know all about nationalistic populist leaders and believe me when I say that their rise to power is very difficult to stop once they get going.




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11-03-2016, 05:32 PM
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(11-03-2016 05:02 PM)Vosur Wrote:  The primary motivation behind it was curiosity. I've been following the U.S. presidential race with great interest for about half a year now. I wasn't lying when I said that it is unlike anything I've ever seen in politics before. The political system we have in Germany is very boring for the average citizen. We don't even get to vote directly for our head of state so it's very difficult for personality cults to follow the way they do in the US. Both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have their own fiercely loyal personality cults and while I think that neither of them are fit to be president, I'm fascinated by their ability to manipulate the masses into supporting them based on unrealistic promises. Their rallies are attended by thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of people, something that none of the other candidates in this election cycle have been able to achieve.

I spend most of my day at work reading posts on the forums of Sanders and Trump supporters and watching the rallies and debates of these candidates (though I have to say that the Democratic debates make for lousy entertainment). Based on that experience, I know that the (online) supporters of both candidates are very protective of them and react with varying degrees of hostility if either their candidate is attacked or the candidate from the other political spectrum is promoted as a better alternative. I was curious to see what would happen if I advocated for Trump in a place that I knew to be politically liberal and most likely supportive of Bernie (It was only an assumption at first, but it turned out to be true later on). I started out mildly at first and didn't get much of a reaction as a result, but I found that the more outlandishly and aggressively I pushed for him, the more hostile the people here would become. Unfortunately for me, long-time members of this forum like Dom started to notice the sudden change in behavior and then GirlyMan sealed the deal by repeatedly calling me out on it.

Anyway, my money is still on Trump for the White House. I don't think he should become president, but the longer I follow this race, the more inevitable his presidency seems to me. Just like GirlyMan said, I know all about nationalistic populist leaders and believe me when I say that their rise to power is very difficult to stop once they get going. "You Can't Stump The Trump" isn't just a meme, it's a reality of this election cycle. His movement consists of the most loyal people I've ever seen and it only grows stronger with every passing day. There was a point in time when he could have been stopped, but that point has long passed.

I sincerely hope for all of my American friends that the anti-establishment movement that Bernie and Trump started will give birth to an outsider candidate who can offer a moderate alternative to their extreme left-wing and right-wing positions.

This all sounds very reasonable and explains your weird personality change which made me wonder if you were suffering some kind of mental illness or breakdown, but the thing is that you've been trolling Europeans who wouldn't normally care what happens in an American election. I've never argued for or against one presidential candidate before, but Trump is a different. That man is dangerous regardless of whether or not he is successful. This is the only reason that I am challenging Trump supporters. I wouldn't do that normally even if it was Ted Cruz.

And how can you as a European say that Bernie is extreme left wing? It's only extreme for America because American has swung so far to the right in the last 30 years.
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11-03-2016, 06:18 PM
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(11-03-2016 05:32 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  And how can you as a European say that Bernie is extreme left wing? It's only extreme for America because American has swung so far to the right in the last 30 years
That's a good question and valid point. I think the main reason why Sanders would be considered an extreme left-wing candidate even in Europe is because of his polarizing stance on illegal immigration. At one of the recent Democratic debates, Bernie promised that if he became president, he would refuse to enforce the United States' immigration laws as they currently exist and I can't think of any place in the Western world where that wouldn't be considered extreme.

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11-03-2016, 06:31 PM
RE: Trump Rally goes Thunderdome
(11-03-2016 06:18 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(11-03-2016 05:32 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  And how can you as a European say that Bernie is extreme left wing? It's only extreme for America because American has swung so far to the right in the last 30 years
That's a good question and valid point. I think the main reason why Sanders would be considered an extreme left-wing candidate even in Europe is because of his polarizing stance on illegal immigration. At one of the recent Democratic debates, Bernie promised that if he became president, he would refuse to enforce the United States' immigration laws as they currently exist and I can't think of any place in the Western world where that wouldn't be considered extreme.

Coming from a nation which takes Trump's 'Build a wall' strategy, and just replaces it with gunboats and Malaysio/Indonesian prison camps; Bernie's stance there isn't so much extremely left-wing as 'off the charts'...

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11-03-2016, 07:36 PM
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Wow, it's getting worse!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/g...smsnnews11


Quote:The announcement that the billionaire businessman would postpone the rally until another day led a large portion of the crowd inside the University of Illinois at Chicago Pavilion to break out into raucous cheers. Meanwhile, supporters of the candidate started chanting "We want Trump! We want Trump!"

There were isolated physical confrontations between some members of the crowd after the event was canceled.

There was no sign of Trump inside the arena on the college campus, where dozens of UIC faculty and staff had petitioned university administrators to cancel the rally. They cited concerns it would create a "hostile and physically dangerous environment" for students.

Before the announcement the event wouldn't take place, a handful of intense verbal clashes took place between Trump supporters and protesters as the crowd waited for his arrival. For the first time during his White House bid, the crowd appeared to be an equal mix of those eager to cheer on the real estate mogul and those overtly opposed to his candidacy.

When one African-American protester was escorted out before the event started, the crowd erupted into chants of "Let them stay!"

Veronica Kowalkowsky, an 18-year-old Trump supporter, said before the event started that she had no ill will toward the protesters — but didn't think they felt the same way.

"I feel a lot of hate," she said. "I haven't said anything bad to anyone."

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11-03-2016, 07:43 PM
RE: Trump Rally goes Thunderdome
(11-03-2016 05:02 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(11-03-2016 03:15 PM)carol Wrote:  I started with his intro, then looked down the line at the general posts over the years- did not have to read each one, but read several hours of them. No assholeness...bright, well read, thoughtful...I do not understand The 'why" behind it though- bored? trolling or joking or testing people?..just fucking with people?

Vosur, what why ?
The primary motivation behind it was curiosity. I've been following the U.S. presidential race with great interest for about half a year now. I wasn't lying when I said that it is unlike anything I've ever seen in politics before. The political system we have in Germany is very boring for the average citizen. We don't even get to vote directly for our head of state so it's very difficult for personality cults to follow the way they do in the US. Both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have their own fiercely loyal personality cults and while I think that neither of them are fit to be president, I'm fascinated by their ability to manipulate the masses into supporting them based on unrealistic promises. Their rallies are attended by thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of people, something that none of the other candidates in this election cycle have been able to achieve.

I spend most of my day at work reading posts on the forums of Sanders and Trump supporters and watching the rallies and debates of these candidates (though I have to say that the Democratic debates make for lousy entertainment). Based on that experience, I know that the (online) supporters of both candidates are very protective of them and react with varying degrees of hostility if either their candidate is attacked or the candidate from the other political spectrum is promoted as a better alternative. I was curious to see what would happen if I advocated for Trump in a place that I knew to be politically liberal and most likely supportive of Bernie (It was only an assumption at first, but it turned out to be true later on). I started out mildly at first and didn't get much of a reaction as a result, but I found that the more outlandishly and aggressively I pushed for him, the more hostile the people here would become. Unfortunately for me, long-time members of this forum like Dom started to notice the sudden change in behavior and then GirlyMan sealed the deal by repeatedly calling me out on it.

Anyway, my money is still on Trump for the White House. I don't think he should become president, but the longer I follow this race, the more inevitable his presidency seems to me. Just like GirlyMan said, I know all about nationalistic populist leaders and believe me when I say that their rise to power is very difficult to stop once they get :rolleyes:going. "You Can't Stump The Trump" isn't just a meme, it's a reality of this election cycle. His movement consists of the most loyal people I've ever seen and it only grows stronger with every passing day. There was a point in time when he could have been stopped, but that point has long passed.

I sincerely hope for all of my American friends that the anti-establishment movement that Bernie and Trump started will give birth to an outsider candidate who can offer a moderate alternative to their extreme left-wing and right-wing positions.

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11-03-2016, 07:55 PM
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(11-03-2016 05:02 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(11-03-2016 03:15 PM)carol Wrote:  I started with his intro, then looked down the line at the general posts over the years- did not have to read each one, but read several hours of them. No assholeness...bright, well read, thoughtful...I do not understand The 'why" behind it though- bored? trolling or joking or testing people?..just fucking with people?

Vosur, what why ?
The primary motivation behind it was curiosity. I've been following the U.S. presidential race with great interest for about half a year now. I wasn't lying when I said that it is unlike anything I've ever seen in politics before. The political system we have in Germany is very boring for the average citizen. We don't even get to vote directly for our head of state so it's very difficult for personality cults to follow the way they do in the US. Both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have their own fiercely loyal personality cults and while I think that neither of them are fit to be president, I'm fascinated by their ability to manipulate the masses into supporting them based on unrealistic promises. Their rallies are attended by thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of people, something that none of the other candidates in this election cycle have been able to achieve.

I spend most of my day at work reading posts on the forums of Sanders and Trump supporters and watching the rallies and debates of these candidates (though I have to say that the Democratic debates make for lousy entertainment). Based on that experience, I know that the (online) supporters of both candidates are very protective of them and react with varying degrees of hostility if either their candidate is attacked or the candidate from the other political spectrum is promoted as a better alternative. I was curious to see what would happen if I advocated for Trump in a place that I knew to be politically liberal and most likely supportive of Bernie (It was only an assumption at first, but it turned out to be true later on). I started out mildly at first and didn't get much of a reaction as a result, but I found that the more outlandishly and aggressively I pushed for him, the more hostile the people here would become. Unfortunately for me, long-time members of this forum like Dom started to notice the sudden change in behavior and then GirlyMan sealed the deal by repeatedly calling me out on it.

Anyway, my money is still on Trump for the White House. I don't think he should become president, but the longer I follow this race, the more inevitable his presidency seems to me. Just like GirlyMan said, I know all about nationalistic populist leaders and believe me when I say that their rise to power is very difficult to stop once they get going. "You Can't Stump The Trump" isn't just a meme, it's a reality of this election cycle. His movement consists of the most loyal people I've ever seen and it only grows stronger with every passing day. There was a point in time when he could have been stopped, but that point has long passed.

I sincerely hope for all of my American friends that the anti-establishment movement that Bernie and Trump started will give birth to an outsider candidate who can offer a moderate alternative to their extreme left-wing and right-wing positions.

Thank you for explaining your behavior, it was interesting to watch.
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11-03-2016, 07:59 PM
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(11-03-2016 05:32 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(11-03-2016 05:02 PM)Vosur Wrote:  

This all sounds very reasonable and explains your weird personality change which made me wonder if you were suffering some kind of mental illness or breakdown, but the thing is that you've been trolling Europeans who wouldn't normally care what happens in an American election. I've never argued for or against one presidential candidate before, but Trump is a different. That man is dangerous regardless of whether or not he is successful. This is the only reason that I am challenging Trump supporters. I wouldn't do that normally even if it was Ted Cruz.

[b]And how can you as a European say that Bernie is extreme left wing? It's only extreme for America because American has swung so far to the right in the last 30 years.
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I completey agree with the above.
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