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26-01-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
(26-01-2017 03:06 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(26-01-2017 01:15 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  They should pay for it. They don't stop their people from border jumping.

They will pay for it. That is a fact. Whether through higher tariffs or reduced aid from the federal government, or taxes on money sent to mexico from people here, they will pay for it.

Maybe if anyone crossing the border illegally was shot on sight it would discourage others from coming over.
Let them pay with their lives.
Would this be a suitable solution to you?

Far too harsh.

I propose the following.

1. 180 day grace period for all illegal aliens to get out of the United States. That gives them enough time to walk if they have to.

2. Minimum 1 year prison sentence and $250,000 fine for any employer caught utilizing illegal workers. Loss of business license for 5 years.

3. 1 year prison sentence for anyone caught crossing the border illegally. Barred for life from entering the United States.

4. 5 year prison sentence for anyone caught illegally in the United States after the grace period. Barred for life from entering the United States.

5. Any country that refuses to take back their citizens loses any funding we might give them and all Visas will be suspended from their country.

No wall needed.

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26-01-2017, 03:48 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
Roughly half of the illegal aliens in the country simply overstayed their visas. The wall will have no effect on that. The wall idea is a sham.
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26-01-2017, 03:54 PM
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26-01-2017, 04:01 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
(26-01-2017 03:48 PM)kineo Wrote:  Roughly half of the illegal aliens in the country simply overstayed their visas. The wall will have no effect on that. The wall idea is a sham.

True. But it will prevent or limit drug trafficking and those that don't qualify for visas.

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26-01-2017, 04:05 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
White House press secretary announces that wall will be paid for by 20% import tax on Mexican goods.

So if I understand this correctly, Americans will be paying for the wall through their taxes AND by a 20% price increase in imported goods. Facepalm

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26-01-2017, 04:31 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
(26-01-2017 03:38 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  I propose the following.

1. 180 day grace period for all illegal aliens to get out of the United States. That gives them enough time to walk if they have to.

Some have legal families here, split them up? Take children away from their parents?

Quote:2. Minimum 1 year prison sentence and $250,000 fine for any employer caught utilizing illegal workers. Loss of business license for 5 years.

Yet more businesses closing and lost revenue in already low income/economically depressed areas.

Quote:3. 1 year prison sentence for anyone caught crossing the border illegally. Barred for life from entering the United States.

I'm sure there are plenty willing to take that risk considering the alternatives they have in their home countries which is much worse.

Quote:4. 5 year prison sentence for anyone caught illegally in the United States after the grace period. Barred for life from entering the United States.

That's what we need, more people in our already overcrowded prison system. Not to mention the cost of keeping them there.

Quote:5. Any country that refuses to take back their citizens loses any funding we might give them and all Visas will be suspended from their country.

That can quickly go both ways.

Quote:No wall needed.

It's not the fix-all answer.
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26-01-2017, 08:33 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
(26-01-2017 01:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Trump is using authorization granted by the Secure Fence Act of 2006 to get started on building. This bill passed the house and senate and was signed into law by President Bush.

Senator Hillary R. Clinton and Senator Barack H. Obama voted YES on this bill. So did Chuck Schumer by the way. And Diane Feinstein. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r...vote=00262

There should be no opposition to the wall when liberal heroes voted to fund it over 10 years ago.
And another bipartisan bill that passed the Senate a couple of years ago, and was voted down my the house, would have supplied most of the $$ Trump is now requesting, but for a more rational combination of wall-building, surveillance tech, and enforcement personnel.

Border security in other forms has had dem support in the past, but that is hardly reason why it wouldn't be opposed at all in this form and for these stated reasons.
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26-01-2017, 08:37 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
(26-01-2017 01:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Trump is using authorization granted by the Secure Fence Act of 2006 to get started on building. This bill passed the house and senate and was signed into law by President Bush.

Senator Hillary R. Clinton and Senator Barack H. Obama voted YES on this bill. So did Chuck Schumer by the way. And Diane Feinstein. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r...vote=00262

There should be no opposition to the wall when liberal heroes voted to fund it over 10 years ago.

It's a waste of money. Most illegal aliens arrive here on airplanes, legally, then over-stay they visas. The net immigration to/from Mexico is negative.

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26-01-2017, 08:40 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
(26-01-2017 08:37 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(26-01-2017 01:05 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Trump is using authorization granted by the Secure Fence Act of 2006 to get started on building. This bill passed the house and senate and was signed into law by President Bush.

Senator Hillary R. Clinton and Senator Barack H. Obama voted YES on this bill. So did Chuck Schumer by the way. And Diane Feinstein. https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r...vote=00262

There should be no opposition to the wall when liberal heroes voted to fund it over 10 years ago.

It's a waste of money. Most illegal aliens arrive here on airplanes, legally, then over-stay they visas. The net immigration to/from Mexico is negative.

But it can still stop/prevent some drug trafficking and those that can't afford or qualify for visas.

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26-01-2017, 08:44 PM
RE: Trump Wants to Start Building the wall
It's a fraud. It's a non-answer for stupid people who don't know the real problems, and it's not an answer to the real problems.

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