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28-05-2016, 11:30 AM
RE: Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
(28-05-2016 10:17 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(28-05-2016 09:50 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  Delusional mantra... Consider

What has Trump given us to work with? What policy proposals has he put forth that are even worth paying attention to other than being horrified by?

His entire shtick is blowhard and rhetoric, and you may be right about him being smarter than we give him credit for because so far it has worked like a charm for his campaign. But that says much more about the right wing in America than it does about the "libtards" ability to find anything more substantial to attack him for. There's just not anything there but tiny hands, orange hair and words, great words, the best words.
Give me a break. Thumpalumpacus is the one person who bothered to criticize his policies instead of attacking him on his looks. Do you actually know what his policies are? You should read them, maybe you'll find that you actually agree with some of them.

(28-05-2016 09:50 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  He's the male equivalent to Sarah Palin. She's rich as fuck now too. Famous to boot. She must be a genius just like him.

You give far too much credit to financial success in this country, do I have to bring up the Kardashians? Shit, there's an idea. I bet if Donald ran with Kim for VP they'd take it by a landslide.

I need a drink...
Are you listening to yourself? You think becoming rich in the real estate business is comparable to becoming rich in the reality TV business?

Had a drink, took the time to skim through his proposals. Very little that I agree with. Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with a desire to make America great, it's just how we actually get there that concerns me, and I don't for one minute think that Trump has any clue as to what will make that happen.

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28-05-2016, 12:59 PM
RE: Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
If one had a broken car, what is the best choice for repair?

1) Bring it to a certified mechanic with 36 years of experience.
2) The local casino owner that has made a lot of money in his business?

To me it seems like a clear discussion.

Now it seems like a good number of people may choose the casino owner. After all he's got a lot of money and he says things they like. Maybe if you gave the guy 4 years to figure out how to fix a car he'll be able to get it. Or he could just make things worse. And you'll still be paying for it.

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28-05-2016, 01:13 PM
Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
I think looking back at the 2000 election more could enlighten some skepticism to how irrationality and playing to the buddy "just like me" politician card can work despite the logic of it. Why did John McCain, Kasich, Elizabeth Dole, Quayle, or other of the 12 gop candidates Bush beat lose to him.. because of his rationality? Policy proclimations? His history? Not much of it. He was also bring heavily made fun of before he was elected which some people seem to not consider. Knowing by far the man is a foolish joke in terms of ideas and control just empowers some politicians as the guy to drink with, so vote him.

The problem with anointing policy pages to mean anything when there's zero rational reason to trust most of it is well understood and created by the candidate vs advisors or if it's not gonna change on a whim. Especially in a case like this where it's so obvious that trump does it. Just like this debate case, it was the most obvious phony throw out yeah.

Even the 1800s had a slice of mischievous chaos in that American populist pandering way.

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28-05-2016, 01:16 PM (This post was last modified: 28-05-2016 01:21 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
(28-05-2016 01:24 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(28-05-2016 01:01 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  The fuck any of that have to do with my question? Oh, I'm also a lifelong registered Republican.
That may be so, but asking me what makes me think Trump is rational makes you sound like a liberal teenager who's trying to be edgy all the same. He's obviously rational.

To my mind rationality implies a certain degree of consistency. Trump is anything but consistent. But maybe you don't think consistency is all that important for rationality.

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28-05-2016, 02:18 PM
RE: Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
(28-05-2016 01:16 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  To my mind rationality implies a certain degree of consistency. Trump is anything but consistent. But maybe you don't think consistency is all that important for rationality.
Wouldn't you say that he possesses a certain degree of consistency? He has been very consistent on illegal immigration, trade, the VA and the second amendment since he started his run for president back in June 2015. While he did flip-flop on other things, like abortion and the minimum wage, I don't think this makes him irrational. It just means that he's become like any other politician. Laugh out load

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28-05-2016, 02:38 PM (This post was last modified: 28-05-2016 03:02 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
(28-05-2016 02:18 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(28-05-2016 01:16 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  To my mind rationality implies a certain degree of consistency. Trump is anything but consistent. But maybe you don't think consistency is all that important for rationality.
Wouldn't you say that he possesses a certain degree of consistency? He has been very consistent on illegal immigration, trade, the VA and the second amendment since he started his run for president back in June 2015. While he did flip-flop on other things, like abortion and the minimum wage, I don't think this makes him irrational. It just means that he's become like any other politician. Laugh out load


He's flipped on revealing his tax returns, the minimum wage, climate change, self-funding his own campaign, on deporting 11 million aliens, on banning all Muslims from entering the country, on H1-B visas, ... next will be he meant a virtual wall not a concrete one. His only goal is winning, the truth be damned. Which I guess you could call rational in a Machiavellian sort of way.

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28-05-2016, 02:42 PM
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Quote:I completely agree with a desire to make America great

Does that include driving ourselves into bankruptcy on behalf of a bunch of towel heads who hate our guts?

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28-05-2016, 02:53 PM
RE: Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
Well Surprise, Surprise, Surprise! I just heard Trump back out of the debate with Sanders.

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28-05-2016, 03:03 PM (This post was last modified: 29-05-2016 04:54 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
(28-05-2016 02:18 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(28-05-2016 01:16 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  To my mind rationality implies a certain degree of consistency. Trump is anything but consistent. But maybe you don't think consistency is all that important for rationality.
Wouldn't you say that he possesses a certain degree of consistency? He has been very consistent on illegal immigration, trade, the VA and the second amendment since he started his run for president back in June 2015. While he did flip-flop on other things, like abortion and the minimum wage, I don't think this makes him irrational. It just means that he's become like any other politician. Laugh out load

Consistent stupidity, and public vulgarity.
Now he says California has no drought. Facepalm
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/....html?_r=0

He calls Hillary "crooked", yet himself REPEATEDLY made promises, walked away from them, and left those who trusted him holding the bag.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2526913

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/new...s-20160314

http://fortune.com/2016/03/10/trump-hote...y-failure/

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/17/470806232/...antic-city

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...-1.2648758

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/us/pol....html?_r=0

The fucking liar's campaign is broke.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/28/r...broke.html

Trump is SO ill suited to the presidency, he even "shamed" the judge HIS OWN case is being tried before. He has NO CLUE what "separation of powers" means, or what the word "appropriate" is or means.
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28-05-2016, 04:43 PM
RE: Trump agreed to debate Bernie!
(28-05-2016 02:42 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  
Quote:I completely agree with a desire to make America great

Does that include driving ourselves into bankruptcy on behalf of a bunch of towel heads who hate our guts?

I believe you are quoting me here so I'll reply.

In short, no. But if I'm hold to the Golden Rule then we're just gonna have to figure this shit out a different way.

Notice I didn't say make America great "again". I'm pretty sure anyone that claims we were ever "great" has some defining of terms to do. Rich, powerful and careless would be much better adjectives to use, and I believe Trump and his supporters would go for any of those descriptors against what I would define as great in defining what I want us to become as a nation or a global community.

I don't have answers or solutions, but I have a pretty good idea of what I'm looking for, and don't have an option to vote for what even remotely comes close to resembling it. We have the capacity to be doing so much better than we are, but we fail at almost every turn. This election is just a stark reminder of that fact.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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