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26-07-2017, 10:20 PM
RE: Trump bans transgender from military
(26-07-2017 09:30 PM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  
(26-07-2017 07:35 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  This unbelievably bad excuse for a Commander-in Chief informed no one. Not even the Pentagon. He even went over the head of Mattis.

Agreed and this is very disturbing. It's a given that there should be civilian control over the military, check. But that comes with what one would think would be obvious qualifications- that the prez consult with those who understand the nuts and bolts, where the rubber meets the road. It's not hard to imagine, say, Eisenhower, who kinda knew stuff about this stuff, meeting with the top brass and working military things out, in fact it's hard to imagine even Eisenhower NOT meeting with his brass before making big military decisions. With Trump, you have to suspend your belief to imagine him either talking to someone who might have military insight or taking more than five seconds to make his decision. Now the entire military is like, what the hell...? And so far this is just tweets, it isn't in the form of any kind of order or law, he could change his mind tomorrow if someone just talks to him and tells him he has a winning smile and a big penis.

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26-07-2017, 10:29 PM
RE: Trump bans transgender from military
(26-07-2017 10:14 PM)Fireball Wrote:  VR goggles, one of these

and a bottle of Viagra could keep him happy for a year or two.

We'll have to put a blonde wig on that thing.
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26-07-2017, 11:57 PM
RE: Trump bans transgender from military
(26-07-2017 11:50 AM)ResidentEvilFan Wrote:  
(26-07-2017 10:07 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Knew this was coming. Don't ask don't tell might make a comeback as well. Veterans don't want them in the military. There's a reason why vets chose Trump over Clinton 2 to 1. The military was turning into a joke. Time to reverse the pansy ass feel good Obama era.

Yes, and while we're at it let's get rid of all the other minorities Republicans think are icky too. You know, the ones if you lived 50 years ago you'd be arguing shouldn't be there either.

And before you start going "that's different", fuck you.

I think I've found who is lurking under the helmet.




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27-07-2017, 03:23 AM
RE: Trump bans transgender from military
Trans people are a burden on the military budget?
No, the USA's corporatocratic imperialist agenda is a burden on the military budget. But Trump "tells it like it is."

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27-07-2017, 05:37 AM
RE: Trump bans transgender from military
(27-07-2017 03:23 AM)cactus Wrote:  Trans people are a burden on the military budget?
No, the USA's corporatocratic imperialist agenda is a burden on the military budget. But Trump "tells it like it is."

Welllllll......

Look - I think all people deserve equal treatment - period.

But ---

Realistically - a fair share of the reason that trans people is problematic is one of logistics.

When women first started joining the military in larger numbers, many units - ships especially - could not create billets for the women because of housing problems. The women would need their own berthing, bathroom and showering accommodations. The outlay of money that needed to be invested for so few new service members was considered to be out of the question. Effectively, by spending the outlay to create accommodations the service would be paying an E-2 or E-3 the pay equivalent of an O-5 or O-6. It only becomes cost effective when there became greater numbers of women in the service. A bit of a Catch 22 I know, but fittingly Catch 22 is about the military.

It'll take time.

If you feel a need to flame me for this - please return to the top of the post and re-read the first sentence...

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27-07-2017, 05:50 AM
RE: Trump bans transgender from military
It's not a problem of logistics. Trans people don't require new bathrooms or different arrangements. That's what the whole North Carolina ridiculousness was about.

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27-07-2017, 05:57 AM
RE: Trump bans transgender from military
(27-07-2017 05:50 AM)morondog Wrote:  It's not a problem of logistics. Trans people don't require new bathrooms or different arrangements. That's what the whole North Carolina ridiculousness was about.

That may be your or my opinion...

Hell, I wouldn't have objected to co-ed showers (as in Starship Troopers), but till that day comes, those in charge of the military will likely see it otherwise.

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27-07-2017, 06:32 AM
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Republicans: extremely pro-military.....unless you're icky (or you're a Vet, then we don't need you anymore, so fuck off).
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27-07-2017, 07:27 AM
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An Executive Order is not likely to stand up in the courts.

Quote:President Donald Trump’s tweets Wednesday morning proclaiming that no transgender persons should be allowed “to serve in any capacity in the U.S. military” do not have the force of law, and maybe nothing like them ever will. But if the president were to put that edict in an executive order rather than a tweet, the policy it purported to institute would be flatly unconstitutional. As stated, a wall-to-wall ban on transgender Americans in the armed forces could only be understood as rooted in what constitutional doctrine calls animus: that is, the bare dislike of a group of people. And as the Supreme Court has held in cases going back at least to the 1970s, animus is never a constitutionally valid reason for government action.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...nal-215423
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27-07-2017, 07:57 AM
RE: Trump bans transgender from military
(27-07-2017 05:57 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(27-07-2017 05:50 AM)morondog Wrote:  It's not a problem of logistics. Trans people don't require new bathrooms or different arrangements. That's what the whole North Carolina ridiculousness was about.

That may be your or my opinion...

Hell, I wouldn't have objected to co-ed showers (as in Starship Troopers), but till that day comes, those in charge of the military will likely see it otherwise.

May be coming sooner than you think:

Quote:The USS Gerald R. Ford — the newest U.S. Navy aircraft carrier, and the first in its class of ships — is ditching urinals, introducing “gender neutral” bathrooms.

Each sleeping quarter — what the Navy calls a berthing area — will have traditional porcelain bowls in the heads (or bathrooms) of the newly designed aircraft carrier, which can hold over 5,000 sailors.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/u-...-1.3352063
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