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03-02-2017, 01:38 AM
Trump circumventing normal process?
Not sure what to make of this?

Is this article accurate?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/art...d=11794343
Quote:Zunger's point is that last weekend the White House and Department of Homeland Security happily ignored court orders related to the Muslim ban, and there was no real consequence to it.

If Mr Trump's inner circle gets good at going around the conventional processes, the result is essentially coup-like: Congress and the Supreme Court can try to oppose him all it likes, but if he's willing to just keep going around the normal processes, there is not a lot they can do.

Quote:The purge happened the day before Mr Trump announced his ban on immigration from seven Muslim countries, a ban which many in the State Department would have reflexively opposed. By taking out the State Department, he was able to exercise his power unchallenged.

Quote:Take, for example, the most powerful body in the US Military hierarchy: the Joint Chiefs of Staff. These are the seven top leaders of all four arms of the military. On Monday, Mr Trump pulled the Joint Chiefs' representative off the top committee of the National Security Council, and instead appointed his civilian adviser (and far-right nationalist) Steve Bannon to run the committee. Now the military has no permanent member on the committee which directs national security decisions.

This is unprecedented. Nobody ever thought that a President would go around the back of a Department or the Military, simply because, being President, the Department and the Military is formally already his to control.
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03-02-2017, 09:04 AM
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The Herald is a pretty good newspaper.

And yes, it's accurate that DJT fired the Joint Chief's top rep from the NSC and appointed alt-right white-supremacist and one-time Goldman Sachs toadie Bannon to the NSC.

Putin now controls the White House and the NSC.
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03-02-2017, 09:07 AM
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Only every chance they get.

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03-02-2017, 09:08 AM
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To circumvent it presumes he knows what it is in the first place.

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03-02-2017, 09:08 AM
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There are many things that he and his staff are doing that are alarming. But perhaps chief among them is the complete and utter lack of oversight on the shit spewing out of there. No one is double checking anything or making sure that whatever he orders is feasible or legal or might have unexpected problems or consequences. No one gives a shit and it appears to be pure chaos. That seems reinforced by the fact that there are people inside his Whitehouse leaking this stuff out. There are people inside who see this for the crazy shit it is.

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03-02-2017, 09:10 AM
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(03-02-2017 09:08 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  To circumvent it presumes he knows what it is in the first place.

Right. I don't know if it is intentional to cut people out of the loop, or if he and his confidants are so oblivious to how things work that they don't know what to actually do.

Part of me also thinks that this chaos being created, is intentional from the likes of Bannon. I find it easy to imagine him being very happy with watching the government stumble and falter while he has a plethora of scapegoats out in front of him to sacrifice.

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03-02-2017, 09:14 AM
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(03-02-2017 09:08 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  There are many things that he and his staff are doing that are alarming. But perhaps chief among them is the complete and utter lack of oversight on the shit spewing out of there. No one is double checking anything or making sure that whatever he orders is feasible or legal or might have unexpected problems or consequences. No one gives a shit and it appears to be pure chaos. That seems reinforced by the fact that there are people inside his Whitehouse leaking this stuff out. There are people inside who see this for the crazy shit it is.

There was a time, not too long ago actually, when you could sit back and be sure Congress would have a moderating influence. But as it is, he has a blank check from them, as long as he signs whatever they put in front of him(I'd be surprised if he reads any the documents he signs).

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03-02-2017, 09:16 AM
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(03-02-2017 09:08 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  To circumvent it presumes he knows what it is in the first place.

Bannon knows, and Trump knows all about lawyers and how to use them to his advantage.

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03-02-2017, 09:27 AM
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Trump's disapproval numbers just keep growing.

Gallup says 52% of those polled disapprove of Trump.

Gallup also has the Repub-controlled Congress has an approval rating of 19%.

And, the latest fun stuff, Trump mouthpiece Kellyann Conway was just caught in yet another "alternative fact" (also known as "lie") by inventing something called the Bowling Green massacre. Thing is, there never was a Bowling Green massacre. It never actually happened.

You just can't make this stuff up.
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03-02-2017, 09:54 AM
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(03-02-2017 09:27 AM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  Gallup also has the Repub-controlled Congress has an approval rating of 19%.

Why should they care? The rating has been abysmally low for years but people keep re-electing them anyway. It's always all those others, not MY congressman who is so bad.

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