Trump circumventing normal process?
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03-02-2017, 12:04 PM
RE: Trump circumventing normal process?
Trump is magnifying how fucked-up and corrupt our government is. Maybe he'll bring it to such a level that people will finally do something about it one way or another.
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03-02-2017, 01:33 PM
RE: Trump circumventing normal process?
(03-02-2017 09:08 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  No one is double checking anything or making sure that whatever he orders is feasible or legal or might have unexpected problems or consequences.
So, how is this possible?

USA has checks and balances. It's vaunted constitution was put in place to ensure a rogue government couldn't have carte blanche control.
But it seems Trump is just writing up Executive Orders (not even going through some "parlimentary debate and vote") and everyone is following them. One lady tried to oppose and she was replaced.


So when will the checks and balances kick in? How long will it take and by the time they kick in will there be any constitution left?

Your "militia" which has been proposed as a defense against a rogue government is uncoordinated. Half of the people (potentially more because it is the religious right that love their guns even more than the others) so you would just have civilians up against civilians rather than coordinated to take down the Trump family.
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05-02-2017, 03:48 AM
RE: Trump circumventing normal process?
OK, so the drama unfolding regarding the Muslim states ban is a great test for the ability for the constitution and other measures to moderate a potentially rogue president.

Trump obviously thinks he holds all the power, thinks he knows best and wants to do whatever it takes.

His executive order was put in place the moment he signed it, effective immediately.
Washington has protested and a Judge has removed the ban.
Trump is now arguing that "the President"ought to be beyond reach of the courts

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/art...d=11795280
Quote:Acting Solicitor General Noel Francisco forcefully argued in the government's brief Saturday night that presidential authority is "largely immune from judicial control" when it comes to deciding who can enter or stay in the United States.
The above seems a bit ridiculous, but it is the card they are choosing to play. It shows that Trump's intent is to be above everything, he wants total control.

This does seem to be happening pretty quickly, it ought to be making all USA citizens nervous, as it is making many outside of USA also very nervous.

But I do think it is a great test on the USA's checks and balances in moderating a rogue president.
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05-02-2017, 05:41 AM
RE: Trump circumventing normal process?
From the article quoted in the OP:

Quote:I know this sounds like a joke, but one of the orders - honestly - declared the day of his inauguration The National Day of Patriotic Devotion. I'm not making it up. The Order itself reads like a decree from Kim Jong Un.

Shocking

I mean, holy shit, what?!
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05-02-2017, 02:33 PM
RE: Trump circumventing normal process?
What happens if Trump decides to ignore a judge's ruling?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/art...d=11795414

Quote:If Trump were to ever go down this road, Franklin said, the ultimate arbiter would be the other, third, branch of government. He said Trump could be held in contempt of court, and it would then be up to the House of Representatives.

"(Contempt of court), in my opinion, is a 'high crime or misdemeanour' in the meaning of the Constitution, and he would be subject to impeachment," Franklin said. "Whether or not the House of Representatives would see it that way is another question. It is at that point their call."
Republicans own the House right?
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