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24-03-2017, 05:33 PM
Trump's healthcare plan dead in the House.
And what is Trump's Modus Operandi when he fails? It's every one else's fault! Real leadership there, Capt. Shitface!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/d...index.html

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24-03-2017, 05:43 PM
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Yabut, how can we blame Hillary's emails for this.
There's GOT to be a way.
Maybe another Benghazi hearing could ferret out a connection.
That's the ticket. They should do that.

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24-03-2017, 05:57 PM (This post was last modified: 24-03-2017 06:00 PM by DeepThought.)
RE: Trump's healthcare plan dead in the House.
Does this mean I need to listen to another 10 years of republican bitching and moaning about obamacare?

I was half hoping this would pass so the Trump name could be nailed to it - and all the death and suffering it caused.

Trumpcare

All Trump cares about is lining his own pockets at everyone's expense.

I don't understand why republicans have such an issue with pitching in on health care. Health care is a shared societal responsibility.

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24-03-2017, 05:58 PM (This post was last modified: 24-03-2017 06:02 PM by Stevil.)
RE: Trump's healthcare plan dead in the House.
The thing is, the Repubs have been whinging and whining on AHC for the past 7-8 years.

It seems they have only just been scrambling to put together an alternative option over the last few weeks. (why didn't they sort this out over the last 7 years?)

They seem very much like two parties. A right wing party (moderates) and a far right (Anarcho-capitalists). I don't know how they could get themselves together to agree on anything important regarding domestic policy (good thing they didn't need to campaign on any policy details). The Anarcho-capitalists don't want govt having anything to do with healthcare or education, they want the free markets and individual wealth to determine the care and education available to the people, they don't give a stuff about the environment and just want businesses to operate without any pesky environmental constraints. I think your proposed tax reform is going to be chaotic also, the Anarcho-capitalists obviously won't be wanting the wealthy to pay much in terms of taxes.

The only things that bring the repubs together seems their hatred for Muslims and Mexicans, their hatred for free international trade, their insistence on abolishing abortions, supporting religious discrimination and their excitement over military and weapons.

EDIT: if Trump goes down the path of ignoring issues with AHC, rather than looking to work with it, and fine tune it to make it work. I mean, his statement that he is going to wait for it to explode. The guy is ready to cut off his own nose to spite his face!
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24-03-2017, 08:53 PM
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This was quoted in the comment section of the Washington Post today and it's so true.

"The problem is, the guys who want to screw over the sick are fighting with the guys who want to screw over the poor; and the guys who want to take all the poor people's money and give it to the billionaires aren't sure which team they should pick."

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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25-03-2017, 01:31 PM
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Obamacare as it stands now does has problems. But not due to any inherent problems. The Democrats had dealt with the problems of a transition to ACA. But the GOP (led by Rubio) sabotaged it to destroy ACA..

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/22/how-repu...e_partner/

While most people are rolling their eyes – why would Obama do that, particularly when everybody expected the next president to be Hillary? – there’s actually a substantial grain of truth to Trump’s assertion. He has identified, however, the wrong culprit as the person who poison-pilled Obamacare for 2017.

That distinction would go to Marco Rubio (and his Republican helpers in the Senate). Let’s step back to 2015 for the entire story, which is bizarre and fascinating.

When the ACA was rolled out, telling insurance companies that they had to insure anybody who signed up, regardless of previous conditions or sickness, everybody realized that the insurance companies would probably lose money in the first decade or so, until previously-uninsured-but-sick people got into the system, got better, and things evened out.

To get the insurance companies to go along with this danger of losing money, the ACA promised to make them whole for any losses in any of the first decade’s years. At the end of each fiscal year, the insurance companies merely had to document their losses, and the government would reimburse them out of ACA funds provided for by the law.

The possibility of their losing money was referred to as the “risk corridor,” and the ACA explicitly filled those risk corridors with a guarantee of making the insurance companies, at the very least, whole.

And then something happened. As The New York Times noted on December 9, 2015, “A little-noticed health care provision slipped into a giant spending law last year has tangled up the Obama administration, sent tremors through health insurance markets and rattled confidence in the durability of President Obama’s signature health law.”

Rubio and a number of other Republicans had succeeded in gutting the risk corridors. The result was that, just in 2015, end-of-fiscal-year risk corridor payments to insurance companies that were supposed to total around $2.9 billion were only reimbursed, according to Rubio himself quoted in the Times, to the tune of around $400 million. Rubio bragged that he’d “saved taxpayers $2.5 billion.”

And, indeed, he had. But the insurance companies were thrown into a crisis. And, with Republicans in Congress absolutely refusing to re-fund the risk corridors, that crisis would get worse as time went on, at least over a period of a few years..
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The GOP caused the ACA crisis, and used the resulting crisis they caused as an excuse to kill ACA.


More dirty tricks from the GOP. Don't be fooled by the screeching about how the ACA is a failure. It is in trouble, but by design.

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25-03-2017, 01:39 PM
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26-03-2017, 05:28 AM
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(24-03-2017 05:58 PM)Stevil Wrote:  It seems they have only just been scrambling to put together an alternative option over the last few weeks. (why didn't they sort this out over the last 7 years?)

Because that was never the point. The point was to oppose it because it was self serving. It was something to attack the other team over. They never had an alternative plan because the plan was never to offer a better alternative, the plan was just to use it as a convenient scapegoat and rallying cry. They controlled the narrative, and the Democrats largely let them get away with it.

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26-03-2017, 05:33 AM
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(26-03-2017 05:28 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  They never had an alternative plan because the plan was never to offer a better alternative, the plan was just to use it as a convenient scapegoat and rallying cry.

And Donald Trump is the reductio ad absurdum of that strategy.
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26-03-2017, 02:10 PM
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(26-03-2017 05:28 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(24-03-2017 05:58 PM)Stevil Wrote:  It seems they have only just been scrambling to put together an alternative option over the last few weeks. (why didn't they sort this out over the last 7 years?)

Because that was never the point. The point was to oppose it because it was self serving. It was something to attack the other team over. They never had an alternative plan because the plan was never to offer a better alternative, the plan was just to use it as a convenient scapegoat and rallying cry. They controlled the narrative, and the Democrats largely let them get away with it.

The epithet on the headstone of the United States will read 'At Least The Other Side Lost Too'.

The epithet will be Oh, Fuck! and it should be added to the epitaph.

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