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08-04-2016, 12:16 PM
Trump's rise = waning religion?
Here's an interesting article from the New York Times about Trump and the Religious Right titled:

"Donald Trump’s Rise Shows Religion Is Losing Its Political Power"

It's worth a read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/busine...il0=y&_r=1

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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08-04-2016, 01:52 PM
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
(08-04-2016 12:16 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Here's an interesting article from the New York Times about Trump and the Religious Right titled:

"Donald Trump’s Rise Shows Religion Is Losing Its Political Power"

It's worth a read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/busine...il0=y&_r=1

Interesting. Still, Trump has done a lot to pander for the religious vote, stating that his favorite book in the Bible, etc.

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08-04-2016, 07:29 PM
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
If Trump = waning in religion in politics I vote to keep religion in politics.

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08-04-2016, 07:49 PM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2016 07:58 PM by GenesisNemesis.)
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
It equals the inevitable result of a shitty political system, combined with severe division of political parties, not to mention a lack of empathy (the other side wanting to "stick it to" the liberals because liberals are evil). Waning religion may be a part of it, but I'm not sure how major of a factor it is.

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08-04-2016, 08:18 PM
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
Trump and Sanders are both signs that the US government is broken and people are tired of it.
Trump and Sanders sit on the opposing extremes, business and socialist.


Neither fits the party they are running under.
The two party system is broken, too.

I think the US is on the brink of a revolution, but not just yet.

I think 8 years of inertia under Clinton will happen and then the changes will come.

Raising atheism and separation of government and church are happening concurrently, but independently.

NostraDom has spoken.

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08-04-2016, 08:25 PM
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
Quote:I think the US is on the brink of a revolution

Lol, no bloody way. Not a chance in dick hell are you guys gonna change the two party system.
The only people that could change it are the very people who don't want it changed, the two parties...

The democrats and republicans love the system, it's such a cash cow for them and even when they're not in power they're still the only other major party.
The only way it's getting changed is if you guys vote for a minor party but that's not gonna happen because the vast majority of Americans are fucking idiots (as evidence by the votes Trump and Hilary have) and don't think anything's wrong. They think the issue is the Mexicans and Muslims, not America.

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08-04-2016, 08:30 PM
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
(08-04-2016 08:18 PM)Dom Wrote:  Trump and Sanders are both signs that the US government is broken and people are tired of it.
Trump and Sanders sit on the opposing extremes, business and socialist.


Neither fits the party they are running under.
The two party system is broken, too.

I think the US is on the brink of a revolution, but not just yet.

I think 8 years of inertia under Clinton will happen and then the changes will come.

Raising atheism and separation of government and church are happening concurrently, but independently.

NostraDom has spoken.


The reason church and politics is so intermingled is because those with money and power know how easy it is to manipulate low-information voters to do what they want if they wave around a little Jesus. The real problem isn't church and state separation, the real problem is money in politics. Get rid of people and corporations being able to dump unlimited funds into politics and fix the mathematically broken first-past-the-post voting system, and a lot of the problem they create would be a lot easier to sort out.

Whether or not we can actually accomplish this without burning the whole house down is another matter entirely. We've turned from the brink before, we've survived the Great Depression, the Gilded Age, and a Civil War.

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08-04-2016, 08:34 PM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2016 09:12 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
(08-04-2016 08:25 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
Quote:I think the US is on the brink of a revolution

Lol, no bloody way. Not a chance in dick hell are you guys gonna change the two party system.
The only people that could change it are the very people who don't want it changed, the two parties...

The democrats and republicans love the system, it's such a cash cow for them and even when they're not in power they're still the only other major party.
The only way it's getting changed is if you guys vote for a minor party but that's not gonna happen because the vast majority of Americans are fucking idiots (as evidence by the votes Trump and Hilary have) and don't think anything's wrong. They think the issue is the Mexicans and Muslims, not America.


Wrong. There is a contingency plan written into the Constitution itself that allows for the calling of independent conventions that can ratify Amendments to the Constitution and can entirely bypass Congress and the President. They either have been used, or the threat of their use, has pushed through things like woman's suffrage in the past. How do you think women who didn't have the right to vote got the right to vote? They were one state away from a successful convention and doing it themselves before Congress relented and passed the Amendment.

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08-04-2016, 08:36 PM
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
(08-04-2016 08:30 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(08-04-2016 08:18 PM)Dom Wrote:  Trump and Sanders are both signs that the US government is broken and people are tired of it.
Trump and Sanders sit on the opposing extremes, business and socialist.


Neither fits the party they are running under.
The two party system is broken, too.

I think the US is on the brink of a revolution, but not just yet.

I think 8 years of inertia under Clinton will happen and then the changes will come.

Raising atheism and separation of government and church are happening concurrently, but independently.

NostraDom has spoken.


The reason church and politics is so intermingled is because those with money and power know how easy it is to manipulate low-information voters to do what they want if they wave around a little Jesus. The real problem isn't church and state separation, the real problem is money in politics. Get rid of people and corporations being able to dump unlimited funds into politics and fix the mathematically broken first-past-the-post voting system, and a lot of the problem they create would be a lot easier to sort out.

Whether or not we can actually accomplish this without burning the whole house down is another matter entirely. We've turned from the brink before, we've survived the Great Depression, the Gilded Age, and a Civil War.

I am not saying we are near any brink. It's running fairly smoothly considering the government has been practically on strike for 8 years. But it's making people think, and whether you look to the right or left, they are all getting pissed off . Another 8 years of the same, and all will agree that we don't have a government representing the people. Those elections are going to be something to behold.

I want religion out of the schools. Out of government owned buildings. So do a lot of people, and increasingly these lawsuits are being won by atheists. This has nothing to do with the government but with the judicial system. The laws already exist, the judicial system just has to enforce them.

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08-04-2016, 10:09 PM
RE: Trump's rise = waning religion?
The Republican Party, or as I sometimes call it the Religious Party, set themselves up for this. They catered to the far religious right nut jobs for the last two decades while the rest of the US was going socially forward. It's their own damn fault. Donald Trump is stumbling around in the Republican party creating havoc everywhere he steps and they don't know what to do now.

I keep going back to the conservative senator from Arizona, Barry Goldwater's remark about the religious taking over the Republican party.

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

He said that in 1994.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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