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24-06-2016, 11:02 AM
RE: Trump's speech on Hillary Clinton's record
(22-06-2016 01:07 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  The Fact Checkers are going wild tearing it apart.

But don't take my word for it. Here's Republican, David Gergen.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/trumps-l...us-speech/

Quote:Trump’s latest Clinton attack leaves David Gergen flabbergasted: ‘This was a slanderous speech’


Unfortunately, slander laws do not apply in politics. You have to hope that the voters are not as stupid as the candidate.

My worry is that Drumph will have his right wing nut cases so worked up by November that when he loses they'll break out their AR 15's and their AK 47's and their B 52's or whatever they have and start the revolution they are hoping for.
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24-06-2016, 11:04 AM
RE: Trump's speech on Hillary Clinton's record
(24-06-2016 09:04 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(24-06-2016 08:26 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Oh. Like your saying Merkel was leading Germany into the ground, and when asked to tell us how exactly, you "forgot" to reply to that. Kinda like that ? But it's not dishonest when you do it ?
They're not even similar. One is you purposefully removing part of my post in your response so as to avoid having to address it, the other is me not responding not your post at all because I didn't see it. If I had seen it back then, I would have given you the same answer I gave you when you asked me the question again in this thread. I mean, I clearly don't have a problem with answering it.

(24-06-2016 08:26 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Calling that idiot who works for Trump a "bimbo" when she is SO fucking stupid, and acts like one, is not sexism. I stand by what I said about her. It was ONE person. That's is not "sexism". You can fling all the poo you want.
That's curious. I remember Trump being called a sexist when he used the same term to refer Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly. I can give you another example of you calling a woman a bimbo if you're so hung up about the number. That would make it two.

(13-09-2012 10:55 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  And dump the fake blond bimbo entitled bitch wife.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399503,00.html

I'd do exactly what I'm doing already.

Apparently, two is the magic number that turns an egalitarian thinker into a raging misogynist since you think I'm a woman-hating bigot for criticizing two female politicians. Welcome to the club, I suppose.

(24-06-2016 08:26 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I still want to know why Americans should give a shit about what a German in Poland thinks about US politics.
Maybe you should listen to what foreigners have to tell you since you Americans (no offense to any forum members that are from the US) are clearly too stupid to figure out who would make a good president on your own. Need I remind you that you're the ones who elected that warmongering dummy George W. Bush as president not once, but twice? We're the ones who told you not to vote for him both times. A couple hundred thousand innocent people died thanks to the stupidity of the American public.

We only elected him once, the Supreme Court aka the Scrotus appointed him the second round.
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24-06-2016, 11:10 AM
RE: Trump's speech on Hillary Clinton's record
(24-06-2016 10:11 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Maybe not. Maybe a German ex-pat from the country that allowed Adolph Hilter to rise to power, who had their asses saved by our families, ought not to be preaching to Americans about who to elect. Many many millions of innocent people died thanks to the stupidity of your people. If I need your fucking advice, I'll be sure and ask.
I don't know who "Adolph Hilter" is supposed to be, but the interesting thing about advice is that the people who need it the most are often the ones who are the least likely to ask for it. The crucial difference between the German and the American people that you don't seem to realize is that we learned from our mistakes while you didn't. Your people are about to elect another corporately owned war hawk into office. My people aren't about to elect another fascist authoritarian into office.

(24-06-2016 10:11 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  You still have not demonstrated that Clinton is "one of the most corrupt politicians in US history", AND you have not show EXACTLY how Merkel is dragging Germany into the ground. Apparently you think you can exempt youself from your own criticisms.
I actually addressed both of those complaints several times. I know that you're aware of this because this isn't the first time I had to remind you. I responded to the second one twice in this very thread, in fact. You still haven't responded to those posts.

(24-06-2016 10:29 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  So people who have differing political opinions from you are "bad bad people".
No, it's your continued support for a corrupt warmonger that makes you a bad person.

(24-06-2016 10:29 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Bernie said today HE was voting for Clinton. So there's that.
You mean the same way that Sanders voted for Bill Clinton for president back in 1996? Go read the ringing 'endorsement' that Bernie gave to him back then.


"In terms of who to support for president, the choice is really not difficult. I am certainly not a big fan of Bill Clinton’s politics. As a strong advocate of a single-payer health care system, I opposed his convoluted health care reform package. I have helped lead the opposition to his trade policies, which represent the interests of corporate America and which are virtually indistinguishable from the views of George Bush and Newt Gingrich. I opposed his bloated military budget, the welfare reform bill that he signed, and the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, which he supported. He has been weak on campaign finance reform and has caved in far too often on the environment. Bill Clinton is a moderate Democrat. I’m a democratic socialist.

Yet, without enthusiasm, I’ve decided to support Bill Clinton for president. Perhaps “support” is too strong a word. I’m planning no press conferences to push his candidacy, and will do no campaigning for him. I will vote for him, and make that public. Why? I think that many people do not perceive how truly dangerous the political situation in this country is today. If Bob Dole were to be elected president and Gingrich and the Republicans were to maintain control of Congress, we would see a legislative agenda unlike any in the modern history of this country. There would be an unparalleled war against working people and the poor, and political decisions would be made that could very well be irreversible.

Medicare and Medicaid would certainly be destroyed, and tens of millions more Americans would lose their health insurance. Steps would be taken to privatize Social Security, and the very existence of public education in America would be threatened. Serious efforts would be made to pass a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, affirmative action would be wiped out, and gay bashing would intensify. A flat tax would be passed, resulting in a massive shift in income from the working class to the rich, and all of our major environmental legislation would be eviscerated.

The Motor Voter bill would be repealed, and legislation making it harder for people to vote would be passed. Union-busting legislation would become law, the minimum wage would be abolished, and child labor would increase. Adults and kids in America would be competing for $3.00-an-hour jobs.

You think I’m kidding. You think I’m exaggerating. Well, I’m not. I work in Congress. I listen to these guys every day. They are very serious people. And the folks behind them, the Christian Coalition, the NRA, the Heritage Foundation, and others, are even crazier than they are. My old friend Dick Armey is not some wacko member of Congress laughed at by his colleagues. He is the Majority Leader of the U.S. House of Representatives. Check out his views. No. I do not want Bob Dole to be president. I’m voting for Bill Clinton.

Do I have confidence that Clinton will stand up for the working people of this country—for children, for the elderly, for the folks who are hurting? No, I do not. But a Clinton victory could give us some time to build a movement, to develop a political infrastructure to protect what needs protecting, and to change the direction of the country."

(24-06-2016 10:29 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  How very German of you.
Laugh out load Laugh out load Laugh out load
Grow the fuck up.
As someone who can't even spell simple, common words like "yourself" correctly (see above), you should be careful with throwing the phrase "grow the fuck up" around. Laughat

(24-06-2016 10:11 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Not voting for Clinton IS (at this point) a vote for Trump, you fool. He's a dangerous man.
A vote for Bernie Sanders is a vote for Bernie Sanders. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein. A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson. You get the idea. Your vote doesn't magically count for Trump if you vote for anyone other than Clinton.

(24-06-2016 10:11 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Who votes for whom, in the American election, is none of your fucking business. You're entitled to your (idiotic) opinions. You DON'T get to tell anyone whom to vote for.
That's exactly where you're wrong. As long as your government fails to take responsibility for its actions and as long as it continues to interfere with the internal affairs of other countries, your elections and your votes will remain my business. I don't tell people who to vote for, I tell them who not to vote for. As the citizen of a country that defends free speech, I very much have the right to do that.

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24-06-2016, 11:13 AM
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(24-06-2016 05:44 AM)Heatheness Wrote:  To be honest, since I was asking a question about it, I thought your question was rhetorical. I did not mean to ignore it on purpose, I simply thought it wasn't expected. Sorry, my bad. Smile

Nah, no problem. I don't expect people to jump at my command ... any more. Smile
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24-06-2016, 11:18 AM
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(24-06-2016 10:55 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I'm returning his aggression with the same. He has never IN DETAIL told us why Hillary is corrupt ... he told me to "look it up". He is so idiotic he thinks there is some magic way to keep Trump out of office (whom he DID originally support), by not voting for Hillary. That's idiotic. He said Americans need him to tell us how to vote. If you disagree with him, you are "bad bad people".

The same goes for you ... if I need any advice from you, I'll be sure and ask.
I meant what I said, and I stand by what I said.

Okay... Though, to me, it seems like you are being much more aggressive. I don't know if it's the spelling and punctuation errors that just make it seem that way. I'm not trying to sound mean. I just know that, personally, if I'm feeling emotional in one way or another, I tend to not put as much care into spelling, etc. as usual.

Bucky, it's okay to disagree with Vosur.

Your aggression levels are worrying me. Sadcryface

Erm... advice on what? I'm not good with financial advice or dating advice. >.> I can try, though.

This thread is getting so heated for no good reason.HuhNo

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24-06-2016, 11:19 AM
RE: Trump's speech on Hillary Clinton's record
(24-06-2016 10:55 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I'm returning his aggression with the same. He has never IN DETAIL told us why Hillary is corrupt ... he told me to "look it up".
Ah, so you're going to move the goal posts again? First you wanted me to tell you why she is corrupt, now you want me to tell you "in detail" why she is corrupt? Have a look at this article, for a start: http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundatio...nt-1934187

(24-06-2016 10:55 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  He is so idiotic he thinks there is some magic way to keep Trump out of office (whom he DID originally support), by not voting for Hillary. That's idiotic.
Go ahead and quote me saying that not voting for Hillary is a way to keep Trump out of office. Newsflash: I never said that. I'm starting to get the feeling that you're a pathological liar, that you can't help but keep lying because it's so normal for you.

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24-06-2016, 11:30 AM
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(24-06-2016 06:08 AM)CosmicRaven Wrote:  I don't get why people bring up the fact that Vosur doesn't live in the US. There is nothing wrong with someone outside of the US learning about the candidates and forming opinions on them.

I don't generally have an issue with anyone from any country discussing American politics, but once they start urging Americans to vote this way or that I get a distinct feeling of unease -- after all, they don't generally have to live with the fallout of their advice; they don't have any skin in the game.
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24-06-2016, 11:34 AM
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(24-06-2016 11:30 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(24-06-2016 06:08 AM)CosmicRaven Wrote:  I don't get why people bring up the fact that Vosur doesn't live in the US. There is nothing wrong with someone outside of the US learning about the candidates and forming opinions on them.

I don't generally have an issue with anyone from any country discussing American politics, but once they start urging Americans to vote this way or that I get a distinct feeling of unease -- after all, they don't generally have to live with the fallout of their advice; they don't have any skin in the game.

Ah, but I think Vosur's whole point here is that they do have skin in the game. America's foreign policy (which is largely determined by the President) has a major effect on other countries. The fallout of our election is exactly what he's worried about.
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24-06-2016, 11:45 AM
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(24-06-2016 11:10 AM)Vosur Wrote:  I don't know who "Adolph Hilter" is supposed to be, but the interesting thing about advice is that the people who need it the most are often the ones who are the least likely to ask for it. The crucial difference between the German and the American people that you don't seem to realize is that we learned from our mistakes while you didn't.

Oh really. They elected Merkel. Remember. The one who's running Germany into the ground ... according to YOU. THAT's "learning your lesson" ?

I see.

Quote:You mean the same way that Sanders voted for Bill Clinton for president back in 1996? Go read the ringing 'endorsement' that Bernie gave to him back then.

Nice try. I never said that.
Totally irrelevant and beside the point. He said on US TV today, he was voting for her. Too bad for you. If you have ANYTHING relevant to TODAY and her and this race, you can discuss THAT. I realize you think ONLY MEN candidates are worth your time, but this is SO far afield, it's laughable. Nice try at deflection and obfuscation. What he said about Bill is totally irrelevant.

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24-06-2016, 11:51 AM
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(24-06-2016 11:19 AM)Vosur Wrote:  [quote='Bucky Ball' pid='1019662' dateline='1466787324']First you wanted me to tell you why she is corrupt, now you want me to tell you "in detail" why she is corrupt? Have a look at this article, for a start:

No. I told you to support your claim that she was one of THE most corrupt politicians in US history. I want you to post here the points of comparison for how you came to that claim/conclusion. In detail. Otherwise, guess who's the liar here ?

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