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28-01-2016, 01:10 PM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(28-01-2016 12:59 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(27-01-2016 06:45 PM)thecontemplator Wrote:  So what do you think? Will this help Trump or hurt him? Do you plan to watch the debate or Trump's charity event? Btw sorry to the mods if I'm starting too many Trump threads.

I think it will help him among his most loyal followers and make the people who already hate him complain even more. As for his lukewarm followers, I think it could be mixed.

My best guess is that a week from now, you won't notice any appreciable change in his national poll ratings. The bigger question is if this boosts Cruz going into the Iowa Caucus.

I think it'll be a boost for Cruz, for reasons stated above.

I also think that poll ratings will change once Iowa voters take weight of this tantrum and vote accordingly. Americans can be very poll-driven; American want to vote for winners. If Trump's gamble, and that is what this is, fails, he will have put himself in the hot seat.
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28-01-2016, 01:16 PM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(28-01-2016 12:59 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  I think it will help him among his most loyal followers and make the people who already hate him complain even more. As for his lukewarm followers, I think it could be mixed.
My best guess is that a week from now, you won't notice any appreciable change in his national poll ratings.
I agree with you.
(28-01-2016 12:59 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  The bigger question is if this boosts Cruz going into the Iowa Caucus.
Good question. I guess nobody knows.
This time lots of unpredictable things happens.
Trump and Sanders are big surprises of the year. Who knew? Trump and Sanders.
I've got lots of pop corn and ready to enjoy reality TV. It is fascinating how things develop.
I see three movements - socialists, conservatives and very loud "silent majority".
I want to see where the rest of the people will be.

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28-01-2016, 01:17 PM
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Cruz is also surprise. Who knew that this wacko bird whom nobody likes will be second to Trump.

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28-01-2016, 01:24 PM
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(28-01-2016 01:16 PM)Alla Wrote:  Good question. I guess nobody knows.

Luckily, we have less than a week to find out!


(28-01-2016 01:16 PM)Alla Wrote:  This time lots of unpredictable things happens.
Trump and Sanders are big surprises of the year. Who knew? Trump and Sanders.
I've got lots of pop corn and ready to enjoy reality TV. It is fascinating how things develop.
I see three movements - socialists, conservatives and very loud "silent majority".
I want to see where the rest of the people will be.

In a lot of ways, Sanders and Trump both capture a lot of disaffected voters from both sides. I've also heard people from either side endorse either candidate. I've seen at least two people who I'd describe as conservative support Sanders. They both have a very strong populist and anti-establishment platform, even though the specifics are different.
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28-01-2016, 01:26 PM
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(28-01-2016 01:17 PM)Alla Wrote:  Cruz is also surprise. Who knew that this wacko bird whom nobody likes will be second to Trump.

Four or five months ago, I would have guessed Jeb! would be that guy. Two or three months ago, I would have guessed Rubio. This is the weird side-effect of having so many candidates running for the GOP. It throws off a lot of common assumptions and gives people more choices (for better or worse).
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28-01-2016, 01:42 PM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(28-01-2016 01:26 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(28-01-2016 01:17 PM)Alla Wrote:  Cruz is also surprise. Who knew that this wacko bird whom nobody likes will be second to Trump.

Four or five months ago, I would have guessed Jeb! would be that guy. Two or three months ago, I would have guessed Rubio. This is the weird side-effect of having so many candidates running for the GOP. It throws off a lot of common assumptions and gives people more choices (for better or worse).
I agree with you.

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28-01-2016, 01:45 PM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(28-01-2016 01:16 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(28-01-2016 12:59 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  I think it will help him among his most loyal followers and make the people who already hate him complain even more. As for his lukewarm followers, I think it could be mixed.
My best guess is that a week from now, you won't notice any appreciable change in his national poll ratings.
I agree with you.
(28-01-2016 12:59 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  The bigger question is if this boosts Cruz going into the Iowa Caucus.
Good question. I guess nobody knows.
This time lots of unpredictable things happens.
Trump and Sanders are big surprises of the year. Who knew? Trump and Sanders.
I've got lots of pop corn and ready to enjoy reality TV. It is fascinating how things develop.
I see three movements - socialists, conservatives and very loud "silent majority".
I want to see where the rest of the people will be.

You think Trump divided conservatives and Cruz is a surprise at following with that? Where have you been? This isn't something NEW this is the tea party divide in action that has been in existence for 6 years and was what has caused Congress to get nothing done. The excessive wing range has been there for awhile and it was there in 2011/12 but there was an actual semi respectable person to 30% of the conservatives. Rubio is the only one for them now but he hovers at 15% because many folks don't like him due to his youngness & Obamayness in the eyes of many voters.

I'm also curious which ones you think are the supposed conservatives you see vs the silent majority which includes still many conservatives.

Also, I saw a clip of Trump once letting Kelly touch his hair, I guess they touched a bit too much for them to ever get back together.

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28-01-2016, 02:19 PM
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(28-01-2016 01:45 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  You think Trump divided conservatives and Cruz is a surprise at following with that? Where have you been? This isn't something NEW this is the tea party divide in action that has been in existence for 6 years and was what has caused Congress to get nothing done. The excessive wing range has been there for awhile and it was there in 2011/12 but there was an actual semi respectable person to 30% of the conservatives. Rubio is the only one for them now but he hovers at 15% because many folks don't like him due to his youngness & Obamayness in the eyes of many voters.
I know that conservatives are divided. But I believe that Trump divided Tea Party conservatives. I am Tea Party Conservative. Trump divided us. This is what I think now. I may be wrong, I am just observing this now.
(28-01-2016 01:45 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I'm also curious which ones you think are the supposed conservatives you see vs the silent majority which includes still many conservatives.
I believe that true conservatives are not angry people. They are not racists or nationalists.
They are not for dividing families and for deporting all illegals. True conservatives will cry when they see children who crossed the border and suffered and had no place to go. True conservatives were donating food and toys for them. True conservatives will not round up Muslims and ban all Muslims.
True conservatives want to protect the Constitution.
"Silent majority" are angry conservatives whom I can compare with Nazi. I don't say they are, but they remind me nationalists. They will not protect the constitution. They are ready do give ALL the power for one man Donald Trump.
True conservatives will never do this.
(28-01-2016 01:45 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Also, I saw a clip of Trump once letting Kelly touch his hair, I guess they touched a bit too much for them to ever get back together.
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29-01-2016, 10:04 AM
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The amount of misinformation being spread here is just embarrassing.

(27-01-2016 06:45 PM)thecontemplator Wrote:  So Trump is skipping a debate scheduled for tomorrow - Thursday. Apparently he's scared of the moderator Megyn Kelley.
Trump said he would attend the debate if Fox News pledged to donate a few million dollars to the veteran charity cause. They refused.

(27-01-2016 08:55 PM)Fireball Wrote:  I'm hoping that this is exposing some chink in his armor that is pierced and eventually lets all the blood out of his campaign. Skipping a scheduled debate? That's like taking the ball home because you are mad at your playmates- an 8-year-old tactic. FFS, this guy cannot be our president.
Ronald Reagan skipped the Iowa debate as well and went on to become POTUS.

(27-01-2016 07:44 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  This fucker is going to stand up to Putin?
Trump is the only presidential candidate who has a shot at improving the US' relationship with Russia. Virtually all of the others plan on worsening them. Do you have that much of a hard-on for a second Cold War that you'd rather the POTUS "stood up to" and antagonized Putin rather than getting along with him?

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29-01-2016, 10:10 AM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(29-01-2016 10:04 AM)Vosur Wrote:  The amount of misinformation being spread here is just embarrassing.

(27-01-2016 06:45 PM)thecontemplator Wrote:  So Trump is skipping a debate scheduled for tomorrow - Thursday. Apparently he's scared of the moderator Megyn Kelley.
Trump said he would attend the debate if Fox News pledged to donate a few million dollars to the veteran charity cause. They refused.

(27-01-2016 08:55 PM)Fireball Wrote:  I'm hoping that this is exposing some chink in his armor that is pierced and eventually lets all the blood out of his campaign. Skipping a scheduled debate? That's like taking the ball home because you are mad at your playmates- an 8-year-old tactic. FFS, this guy cannot be our president.
Ronald Reagan skipped the Iowa debate as well and went on to become POTUS.

(27-01-2016 07:44 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  This fucker is going to stand up to Putin?
Trump is the only presidential candidate who has a shot at improving the US' relationship with Russia. Virtually all of the others plan on worsening them. Do you have that much of a hard-on for a second Cold War that you'd rather the POTUS "stood up to" and antagonized Putin rather than getting along with him?


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