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01-02-2016, 07:49 PM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
So what the haps in Iowa?
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02-02-2016, 01:14 AM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2016 02:52 AM by Vosur.)
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(01-02-2016 07:49 PM)DerFish Wrote:  So what the haps in Iowa?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/pages/i...016/%23/#/

There are some rumors going around regarding election fraud in Iowa. Not because of Trump's loss, mind you, but because of Rubio's absurd performance.

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Trump and Cruz were always neck-to-neck in Iowa when you factor in the statistical margin of error, but how is it that Rubio came this close even though he had only half of Trump's score in almost every single poll? Consider

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02-02-2016, 06:20 AM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(02-02-2016 01:14 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 07:49 PM)DerFish Wrote:  So what the haps in Iowa?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/pages/i...016/%23/#/

There are some rumors going around regarding election fraud in Iowa. Not because of Trump's loss, mind you, but because of Rubio's absurd performance.

[Image: mCfK3N.jpg]

Trump and Cruz were always neck-to-neck in Iowa when you factor in the statistical margin of error, but how is it that Rubio came this close even though he had only half of Trump's score in almost every single poll? Consider

Edit: This is how you lose with grace. No saltiness whatsoever.



He didn't actually lose.
It is not an all-or-nothing win; the delegates are won proportionately, so Cruz won 8 Iowa delegates, Trump and Rubio each get 7, Carson 3, Bush and Paul 1 each.

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02-02-2016, 07:22 AM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(02-02-2016 06:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-02-2016 01:14 AM)Vosur Wrote:  http://www.desmoinesregister.com/pages/i...016/%23/#/

There are some rumors going around regarding election fraud in Iowa. Not because of Trump's loss, mind you, but because of Rubio's absurd performance.

[Image: mCfK3N.jpg]

Trump and Cruz were always neck-to-neck in Iowa when you factor in the statistical margin of error, but how is it that Rubio came this close even though he had only half of Trump's score in almost every single poll? Consider

Edit: This is how you lose with grace. No saltiness whatsoever.



He didn't actually lose.
It is not an all-or-nothing win; the delegates are won proportionately, so Cruz won 8 Iowa delegates, Trump and Rubio each get 7, Carson 3, Bush and Paul 1 each.
Trump 'only' coming in at second place is not a big deal for the overall election then? I figured that was the case, but for a different reason. Iowa hasn't voted for the candidate who ultimately ended up winning the general election in 16 years.

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02-02-2016, 07:25 AM
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(02-02-2016 07:22 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(02-02-2016 06:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  He didn't actually lose.
It is not an all-or-nothing win; the delegates are won proportionately, so Cruz won 8 Iowa delegates, Trump and Rubio each get 7, Carson 3, Bush and Paul 1 each.
Trump 'only' coming in at second place is not a big deal for the overall election then? I figured that was the case, but for a different reason. Iowa hasn't voted for the candidate who ultimately ended up winning the general election in 16 years.

You said "This is how you lose with grace." That is what I responded to.

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02-02-2016, 07:31 AM
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Lets hope for the sake of the entire globe this trend continues we already have a nut job in Putin and a nut job in the Whitehouse could be disastrous for everyone, a seriously toxic mix.
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02-02-2016, 07:44 AM
RE: Trump skipping debate.
(02-02-2016 07:22 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(02-02-2016 06:20 AM)Chas Wrote:  He didn't actually lose.
It is not an all-or-nothing win; the delegates are won proportionately, so Cruz won 8 Iowa delegates, Trump and Rubio each get 7, Carson 3, Bush and Paul 1 each.
Trump 'only' coming in at second place is not a big deal for the overall election then? I figured that was the case, but for a different reason. Iowa hasn't voted for the candidate who ultimately ended up winning the general election in 16 years.

GOP candidate. Obama got more delegates than Hilary in 2008, "winning" Iowa.

Iowa has more of a religious movement that drums up their primary electorate other than some other states because of the caucus style. It's a weird way that also makes it not a totally private thing. That's why Cruz & especially why Rubio got a bigger boost when it came to actually voting and not just Polls. They're far more trustworthy as religious conservatives and figure into those largely. Normal religious candidates got hardly anything because they went mostly to Rubio this time because he also is the only one seen as a reasonable candidate to win. Ben Carson got a bit of that but Huckabee and Santorum were seen as joke has beens that aren't worth a vote to anyone despite them winning Iowa in years past.

And Santorum technically won the most delegates in Iowa in 2012, but Romney really was anointed the winner following the debate, and maybe had one or two less delegates when they really got the votes squared correctly weeks later. Romney walked away the winner and it helped carry him to next states that when the real details came out it no longer mattered.

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