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14-05-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: Trump thought it would be easier
(11-05-2017 09:45 AM)Airportkid Wrote:  The ratio of derogatory to superlative is 3.4 to 1.

If this is indicative of general perception how is something that vile in the office it occupies?
Because a significant # of people had such a level of frustration with the system that they voted just to "blow it up" or at least shake it up. In particular, the accelerating wealth transfer from the middle class to the very wealthy left a lot of people feeling disenfranchised, and Clinton did nothing to make them feel genuinely cared about, heard, or prioritized*. So a percentage were seduced by Trump's facile claims to be their champion, and even those who weren't fooled, wanted to throw a great big monkey wrench into things. Trump's election was in many ways a big, if ill-advised, "fuck you" to power elites.

I maintain that Sanders would have won over Trump because electing him would have shaken up the system but with humanitarian ideas and principled thinking. Therefore he would have gotten a lot of Trump votes and would have been the far safer choice for those who simply want to shake the system up, even if they weren't fully on board with Sander's policies.

* Because she, in fact, didn't give a fuck.
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14-05-2017, 07:51 PM (This post was last modified: 14-05-2017 08:10 PM by Thoreauvian.)
RE: Trump thought it would be easier
(14-05-2017 03:35 PM)mordant Wrote:  In particular, the accelerating wealth transfer from the middle class to the very wealthy left a lot of people feeling disenfranchised, and Clinton did nothing to make them feel genuinely cared about, heard, or prioritized*.
* Because she, in fact, didn't give a fuck.

You sound like a bitter Sanders supporter. Clinton had some reasonably progressive ideas about helping the middle class, which is why I supported her over Sanders in the Pennsylvania primary. Sanders was too unbelievable for me, and was likely perceived as such by many other voters as well.
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14-05-2017, 08:41 PM
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(14-05-2017 07:51 PM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  
(14-05-2017 03:35 PM)mordant Wrote:  In particular, the accelerating wealth transfer from the middle class to the very wealthy left a lot of people feeling disenfranchised, and Clinton did nothing to make them feel genuinely cared about, heard, or prioritized*.
* Because she, in fact, didn't give a fuck.

You sound like a bitter Sanders supporter. Clinton had some reasonably progressive ideas about helping the middle class, which is why I supported her over Sanders in the Pennsylvania primary. Sanders was too unbelievable for me, and was likely perceived as such by many other voters as well.

Money still speaks louder than the hordes of suffering fools. Fools being the operative term.
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15-05-2017, 02:12 AM (This post was last modified: 15-05-2017 02:25 AM by Thoreauvian.)
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(14-05-2017 08:41 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  Money still speaks louder than the hordes of suffering fools.

As long as Americans consider jobs a high priority, we must also consider the interests of corporations and the wealthy. In other words, if we go too far left, we lose the center.
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15-05-2017, 07:05 AM
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And you wondered where he got his "alternative facts" from?

Quote:White House chief of staff Reince Priebus issued a stern warning at a recent senior staff meeting: Quit trying to secretly slip stuff to President Trump.

Just days earlier, K.T. McFarland, the deputy national security adviser, had given Trump a printout of two Time magazine covers. One, supposedly from the 1970s, warned of a coming ice age; the other, from 2008, about surviving global warming, according to four White House officials familiar with the matter.

Trump quickly got lathered up about the media’s hypocrisy. But there was a problem. The 1970s cover was fake, part of an Internet hoax that’s circulated for years. Staff chased down the truth and intervened before Trump tweeted or talked publicly about it.

The episode illustrates the impossible mission of managing a White House led by an impetuous president who has resisted structure and strictures his entire adult life.

The entire article is worth reading, but it is scary.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/15...ews-238379
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15-05-2017, 07:59 AM
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(15-05-2017 07:05 AM)Rockblossom Wrote:  The entire article is worth reading, but it is scary.

And yet, as president, Trump has the resources of any number of experts at his beck and call. The problem is that he is too uneducated to use them for what they are worth.
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15-05-2017, 09:30 AM (This post was last modified: 15-05-2017 09:37 AM by Rockblossom.)
RE: Trump thought it would be easier
(15-05-2017 07:59 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  
(15-05-2017 07:05 AM)Rockblossom Wrote:  The entire article is worth reading, but it is scary.

And yet, as president, Trump has the resources of any number of experts at his beck and call. The problem is that he is too uneducated to use them for what they are worth.

He is paranoid about "leaks" from inside the White House, so he fires anyone he suspects of being the source of leaks. (Like the Chief Usher?) He refuses to fill vacant posts in the WH for the same reason. His pool of "trusted advisers" keeps getting smaller as his paranoia grows, and that small group has learned how to manipulate his thinking to get rid of rivals. They don't want vacant posts filled, because the fewer people left to whisper in his ear, the more influence they have. They certainly don't want any outside experts getting time with the President. At some point, it will just be Trump, Prebius, Bannon, members of Trump's family, some cooks and servants, and a few Secret Service agents in an otherwise empty building. The parallels between Trump and Kim Jong Un are getting more and more evident.
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