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25-12-2016, 04:00 PM (This post was last modified: 25-12-2016 04:13 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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25-12-2016, 04:09 PM (This post was last modified: 25-12-2016 07:39 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Trump will be president
(25-12-2016 03:15 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  You are probably the most uninformed person on this forum with the exception of Brian37. The Supreme Court has become extremely partisan. If you can't see it, you're either blind or stupid. Here, top page in a google search:

"In the period between 1801 and 1940, less than 2% of all the Supreme Court’s decisions were decided by a 5–4 vote. By contrast, the Rehnquist and Roberts Courts have seen just over 20% of their cases be decided by this small margin. This shift provides a clear indication that polarization has indeed spread to the judiciary."

https://stanfordpolitics.com/the-troubli....1swul89px

Why do you think the republicans REFUSED to even let Merrick Garland have a vote? The obvious answer is to prevent a 5-4 majority of left leaning judges.

And THAT is exactly the problem. Idiots like you YEARN for this fake idea of a "halcion past" that is NEVER coming back, if it ever existed, at all. You actually would not know in what the past consisted, as you have NO EDUCATION. At all. The fact is, the country has ALWAYS been bitterly divided along partisan lines. The fact is the process of change from ancient idiotic values (in which people think disputes can actually be resolved by simple-minded means, ... such as your guns shit, is never going back to the past.) You seem to think it can be accomplished by returning to the ancient past. Never gonna happen. Trump LOST the popular vote. The ACA was upheld by ONE Republican vote. You are an OLD man. So much for your "left leaning judges, bullshit". The future belongs to those who embrace change, not those who are afraid of it, as you are. You are to be pitied. You cannot tell us, "why, as Scalia thought, the Federalist Papers, written in the 1700's, should be referenced as a guide for conservative judges, in 2016, even when, at the same time, he admitted, we *have the right to what is reasonable*, (which any fool knows, changes all the time)." We await your paper on that. WE KNOW YOU WILL NEVER PRESENT THAT. Any fool knows, the thing that now drives the culture of the US and the world, is Hollywood, and the mass media. Trump is himself, a product of the mass media. YOU and Trump cannot reverse that, and they hate Trump. Obama SAVED the US from the fucking mess that Bush and the Republicans caused.

Trump is the "one step back" in the "two steps forward, one step back" paradigm. Trump is incapable of doing ANYTHING about the broad sweeping forces of history , which you and your idiot friends rail against. He has a company in China, which he has not brought to the US. HE recognized the value in that. The period where the US led the world is gone. Science and technology are now worldwide phenomena. Medical care is as least as good, if not better, in Northern Europe. Knowledge is now disseminated world-wide, and belongs to the world, not the US. Nothing you, or Trump does, can change that. Nothing you or Trump says or does can change the trends in coal, energy, human rights, justice for all, and every other trend that the 21st Century, encompasses. You and your reactionary terrified idiot friends are not capable of changing the forces that have been launched, that make your white straight male superiority the name of the game, a thing of the past. You're an old fossil. Your time is up.

The Dread Scott decision was 7/2, you fucking idiot. A lop-sided majority opinion is NO guarantee of correctness, or justice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford
Sorry to inform you, but Reality is complicated. Something which you childish "black and white" simplistic fools are incapable of understanding.

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26-12-2016, 02:57 PM
RE: Trump will be president
(25-12-2016 04:09 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(25-12-2016 03:15 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  You are probably the most uninformed person on this forum with the exception of Brian37. The Supreme Court has become extremely partisan. If you can't see it, you're either blind or stupid. Here, top page in a google search:

"In the period between 1801 and 1940, less than 2% of all the Supreme Court’s decisions were decided by a 5–4 vote. By contrast, the Rehnquist and Roberts Courts have seen just over 20% of their cases be decided by this small margin. This shift provides a clear indication that polarization has indeed spread to the judiciary."

https://stanfordpolitics.com/the-troubli....1swul89px

Why do you think the republicans REFUSED to even let Merrick Garland have a vote? The obvious answer is to prevent a 5-4 majority of left leaning judges.

And THAT is exactly the problem. Idiots like you YEARN for this fake idea of a "halcion past" that is NEVER coming back, if it ever existed, at all. You actually would not know in what the past consisted, as you have NO EDUCATION. At all. The fact is, the country has ALWAYS been bitterly divided along partisan lines. The fact is the process of change from ancient idiotic values (in which people think disputes can actually be resolved by simple-minded means, ... such as your guns shit, is never going back to the past.) You seem to think it can be accomplished by returning to the ancient past. Never gonna happen. Trump LOST the popular vote. The ACA was upheld by ONE Republican vote. You are an OLD man. So much for your "left leaning judges, bullshit". The future belongs to those who embrace change, not those who are afraid of it, as you are. You are to be pitied. You cannot tell us, "why, as Scalia thought, the Federalist Papers, written in the 1700's, should be referenced as a guide for conservative judges, in 2016, even when, at the same time, he admitted, we *have the right to what is reasonable*, (which any fool knows, changes all the time)." We await your paper on that. WE KNOW YOU WILL NEVER PRESENT THAT. Any fool knows, the thing that now drives the culture of the US and the world, is Hollywood, and the mass media. Trump is himself, a product of the mass media. YOU and Trump cannot reverse that, and they hate Trump. Obama SAVED the US from the fucking mess that Bush and the Republicans caused.

Trump is the "one step back" in the "two steps forward, one step back" paradigm. Trump is incapable of doing ANYTHING about the broad sweeping forces of history , which you and your idiot friends rail against. He has a company in China, which he has not brought to the US. HE recognized the value in that. The period where the US led the world is gone. Science and technology are now worldwide phenomena. Medical care is as least as good, if not better, in Northern Europe. Knowledge is now disseminated world-wide, and belongs to the world, not the US. Nothing you, or Trump does, can change that. Nothing you or Trump says or does can change the trends in coal, energy, human rights, justice for all, and every other trend that the 21st Century, encompasses. You and your reactionary terrified idiot friends are not capable of changing the forces that have been launched, that make your white straight male superiority the name of the game, a thing of the past. You're an old fossil. Your time is up.

The Dread Scott decision was 7/2, you fucking idiot. A lop-sided majority opinion is NO guarantee of correctness, or justice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford
Sorry to inform you, but Reality is complicated. Something which you childish "black and white" simplistic fools are incapable of understanding.

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26-12-2016, 05:19 PM
RE: Trump will be president
(26-12-2016 02:57 PM)ELK12695 Wrote:  
(25-12-2016 04:09 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  And THAT is exactly the problem. Idiots like you YEARN for this fake idea of a "halcion past" that is NEVER coming back, if it ever existed, at all. You actually would not know in what the past consisted, as you have NO EDUCATION. At all. The fact is, the country has ALWAYS been bitterly divided along partisan lines. The fact is the process of change from ancient idiotic values (in which people think disputes can actually be resolved by simple-minded means, ... such as your guns shit, is never going back to the past.) You seem to think it can be accomplished by returning to the ancient past. Never gonna happen. Trump LOST the popular vote. The ACA was upheld by ONE Republican vote. You are an OLD man. So much for your "left leaning judges, bullshit". The future belongs to those who embrace change, not those who are afraid of it, as you are. You are to be pitied. You cannot tell us, "why, as Scalia thought, the Federalist Papers, written in the 1700's, should be referenced as a guide for conservative judges, in 2016, even when, at the same time, he admitted, we *have the right to what is reasonable*, (which any fool knows, changes all the time)." We await your paper on that. WE KNOW YOU WILL NEVER PRESENT THAT. Any fool knows, the thing that now drives the culture of the US and the world, is Hollywood, and the mass media. Trump is himself, a product of the mass media. YOU and Trump cannot reverse that, and they hate Trump. Obama SAVED the US from the fucking mess that Bush and the Republicans caused.

Trump is the "one step back" in the "two steps forward, one step back" paradigm. Trump is incapable of doing ANYTHING about the broad sweeping forces of history , which you and your idiot friends rail against. He has a company in China, which he has not brought to the US. HE recognized the value in that. The period where the US led the world is gone. Science and technology are now worldwide phenomena. Medical care is as least as good, if not better, in Northern Europe. Knowledge is now disseminated world-wide, and belongs to the world, not the US. Nothing you, or Trump does, can change that. Nothing you or Trump says or does can change the trends in coal, energy, human rights, justice for all, and every other trend that the 21st Century, encompasses. You and your reactionary terrified idiot friends are not capable of changing the forces that have been launched, that make your white straight male superiority the name of the game, a thing of the past. You're an old fossil. Your time is up.

The Dread Scott decision was 7/2, you fucking idiot. A lop-sided majority opinion is NO guarantee of correctness, or justice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford
Sorry to inform you, but Reality is complicated. Something which you childish "black and white" simplistic fools are incapable of understanding.

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Yeah right. Nothing he wrote was true. He called me a liar and said I have zero evidence that the Supreme Court is more partisan than ever. So I provided the proof and he went on a long rant that was full of liberal nonsense and wishful thinking. He had no response to the actual facts.

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26-12-2016, 06:52 PM
RE: Trump will be president
(26-12-2016 05:19 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Yeah right. Nothing he wrote was true. He called me a liar and said I have zero evidence that the Supreme Court is more partisan than ever. So I provided the proof and he went on a long rant that was full of liberal nonsense and wishful thinking. He had no response to the actual facts.

Isn't a Supreme Court more divided on multiple issues a good sign that the judges who are sitting on it are representing correctly the various groups and interests, who are frequently contradictory, of the member of society? In the early 1800's there were no such thing as a representation of women's rights in the supreme court, no more than black slaves rights or even Natives rights, even poor people were not represented since they were not allowed to vote. This creates a climate of of harmony, but ultimately a false one. When political representation of certain group is poor or even abscent, democratic institutions, like the Supreme Court for example, become tools of oppression and not of justice.

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26-12-2016, 07:15 PM
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There wasn't 9 supreme court justices until 1837... why someone's mindset writing something would hamper on 5-4 decisions in the phrasing when talking about 1801 makes no critical sense. There wasn't even 7 at that point yet and hasn't built up am idea of making itself have a desire for consistent odd number judges.

But also people like that conflate 20% with "most" it's like it's back to how sports fans argue where the phrases average and worst seem to have nothing to do with what average/worst means.

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26-12-2016, 08:40 PM
RE: Trump will be president
(26-12-2016 05:19 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(26-12-2016 02:57 PM)ELK12695 Wrote:  Mr. Dark Helmet:



Yeah right. Nothing he wrote was true. He called me a liar and said I have zero evidence that the Supreme Court is more partisan than ever. So I provided the proof and he went on a long rant that was full of liberal nonsense and wishful thinking. He had no response to the actual facts.

You actually refuted NOTHING with any facts. You *are* a liar. You make up shit, and never post any references. Everyone here knows that. The fact that court cases are closely contested shows that the issues are complex and that the sides ARE CLOSER than ever, not "partisan". You proved NOTHING you said.

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28-12-2016, 09:28 AM
RE: Trump will be president
(25-12-2016 08:14 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  That doesn't matter any more. The country has split almost in two and it happened before Trump came around.
You say that like it's a good thing. Of course, it matters! Dodgy

(25-12-2016 08:14 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Our congress is now hyper partisan rarely crossing the aisle. If a senator or congressman votes for something on the other side they risk losing their next election. From abortion to gun rights to immigration both parties are polar opposites. We can't fathom how the other side even comes up with their ideas.
The problem as I see it isn't the parties, but the party so-called leaders. The parties consist of all the members (mostly voters) most of whom are likely not so polar opposite. There's no question that some are, but they are in the extremes and not the majority. I'd bet most side with each party on different issues or at least come closer to the middle on some issues.

The problem is the party leaders. They (and there are a few exceptions) aren't in it to represent the people beyond what it takes to keep the people supporting them. They just want to keep their jobs and keep serving their own agendas. Right now, that means serving their biggest donors.

This isn't going to be an easy thing to fix. We truly need an equally influential third party and I don't think much of any significance will change until we have one. We also need to change the election process that allows big money to unfairly influence the elections, but of course, the people benefitting from that are the same people that would need to change it... And there's the electoral college mess and the BS with the voting district lines in many areas.

People are beginning to recognize all this. That is why Trump got elected. People are sick of this nonsense so they elected Trump in the hope of putting someone different in the White House. But different is not what they got. In trying to change the culture of politicians serving themselves, they elected someone who puts serving oneself on steroids! They wanted someone who cares about them but elected someone who couldn't be farther than that. Trump has always been about his own power, his own money, and his ego. And fuck anyone who stands in the way! Anyone who thinks he will suddenly and miraculously change just because he is now President honestly needs to pull their head out of their ass. There's a reason he hasn't released his taxes. There's a reason he didn't release his business holdings, but passed them on to his kids.

People fell for Trump's promises much in the same way people fall for religion. They voted for what they want to be true, not what actually is true. And the obvious was staring them in the face as Trump told lie after lie after lie during his campaign. With all those lies, we have every reason to believe that Trump will do nothing that he promised unless he personally benefits from it. He's not even President yet and we're already seeing him turn his back on many campaign promises. We should have known this before the election - frankly, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out - but Clinton didn't look like a better alternative to enough people. So now we're stuck with Mr. Tramp.

LDH, I suspect, whether you admit it here eventually or not, you won't be supporting him for long.

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28-12-2016, 09:55 AM
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(25-12-2016 08:14 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  That doesn't matter any more. The country has split almost in two and it happened before Trump came around.

True enough. The Republican right wing Tea Party was the last large splitting event, with Newt-shut-down-the-government-if-I-don't-get-my-way as Speaker of the House.

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04-01-2017, 09:53 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2017 10:04 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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The country is about to be more split. There are new groups organizing (like never before) across the country to oppose Trump. Ryan said today that maybe Dumpster will understand better "on Friday" after he gets briefed by the intelligence community, (instead of "we love Wikileaks" Facepalm ). The new White House Political Director is the idiot that organized the New Jersey ("dirty tricks") team that engineered the Bridgegate fiasco. Lovely. Today Trump implied he will reorganize the intelligence agencies, as he doesn't like them telling the truth.

This is getting better than anyone could have imagined. Laugh out load

As we saw today, Ryan said "We have a lot of ideas", (LOL) about health care, but in fact no plan, and they never did have one.
The will "repeal' the ACA, (which really is Romney Care, more than Obama Care), but will do nothing about funding/implementing a replacement.
That means the states will have to raise taxes to play for all the emergency care the hospitals will get stuck giving to people who have no insurance.

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