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19-11-2016, 11:11 PM (This post was last modified: 20-11-2016 12:03 AM by Celestial_Wonder.)
RE: Trump will be president
(10-10-2016 04:10 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Trump will win. Book it. Write it down. Quote me.

I'm going to lay out my reasons for why Trump wins.

1. Lower democrat turnout than 2012. No Obama this time means African Americans won't be as motivated. Higher hispanic turnout won't make much difference as they are concentrated in areas Trump won't win anyway.

2. Bernie supporters (the youth vote) will stay home. Especially after the Wikileaks emails released today. Those video game controllers will be hard to put down for Hillary.

3. Hidden Trump support. 21 million registered voters failed to show up in 2012. Most of them white. They will show up this time.

So there you go. I'm out until the election is over. I will come back to gloat.

Or cry.





This is how I imagine Lord Dark Helmet gloating right now.
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20-11-2016, 01:47 AM
RE: Trump will be president
Just caught up on 10 days of this thread.

Phew!

(11-11-2016 12:28 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  ...
I'm going to enjoy a republican president. A republican house of representatives. A republican senate. A conservative supreme court for the next 30+ years. I'm going to enjoy watching the ACA be repealed. I'm going to enjoy watching Obama's legacy destroyed with a pen and a phone. I'm going to enjoy watching all gun control thrown out the window. I'm going to enjoy watching the law get passed that gives people with concealed carry permits be allowed to carry their guns in every state. I'm going to enjoy watching the fools at the EPA thrown out the front door and replaced. I'm going to enjoy watching common core removed from our schools.

I'm enjoying sissy safe space liberals crying on the floor like babies. I'm enjoying "tolerant" democrats scream in the streets, destroying their own cities in protest of a Trump presidency.

But most of all, I'm enjoying watching the nation reject liberalism, progressives, and democrats across the country. Republicans will now control 70% of state legislatures and 34 out of 50 governors seats in 2017. As well as every branch of Federal Government.

And I'm going to enjoy watching the decline and fall of the Murikan Empire.

I'm not going to enjoy watching Murika rip itself apart once it begins to dawn on them that less than 20% of the population voted for what's coming their way.

But I might enjoy watching whatever phoenix rises from the ashes (should I live that long).

Yes

(11-11-2016 03:52 AM)morondog Wrote:  ...
USA will lose its pre-eminent position in world politics, at least it has already lost any semblance of moral superiority it may have had. Now you're just another gangster nation, unhindered by any claim to better human rights or better treatment of your poorer classes.
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My thoughts exactly. The question is whether the Murikan experiment has sufficient buoyancy to right itself.

(12-11-2016 08:15 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  ...
If for some reason neither candidate ends up with 270, say a few electors go rouge, congress decides and who will they pick?
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I think you meant bleu

Big Grin

(19-11-2016 05:21 PM)Kestrel Wrote:  ...
One of the reasons is because he was a political outsider.
There is no way I would vote for a Democrat due to the liberal counter evolutionary policies and ideology.
Libertarianism is a philosophical disaster based on anarchy.
The Green party, I dismiss as more counter evolutionary bullshit.
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Hey there, Kestrel. Welcome back.

I am curious about the use of the term 'counter evolutionary'.

For me, the very definition of civilisation is the degree by which we have gained control over future consequences i.e. how much we have reduced environmental risk factors. That ability to predict and manage would be counter-evolutionary, would it not?

And the opposite of civilisation is barbarism.

I guess it might be because I think in British definitions but to me, democracy (mob rule) and libertarianism (liberty/anarchy) align to evolution theory.
Classical Liberalism (liberty/tolerance) is an attempt to counter the evolutionary forces ... leading to civilisation.

So, assuming that you are not advocating for barbarism, can I deduce that you are equating 'liberal' with some form of enforced equality?

In other words, you are railing against authoritarian rather than compassionate egalitarianism?

I doubt you'll find many here who disagree with that. Rail on.

But I also think you are saying that Individualism = Good; Collectivism = Bad. Hence anything hive (or ant) minded is bad e.g. Islam (submission), authoritarian-socialism etc.

Fair enough.

Since Reagan/Thatcher, economic Darwinism (e.g. Greenspan's (Ayn Rand) ideas) has been taking us on a path away from socialist ant-ness to predator lion-ness and with globalisation and technological advancements (Industrie 4.0) this has led to the dis-empowering of labour / the working class.

(everyone who gambles / invests in the markets has bought into this)

The US electorate (a minority of the population) - and the Brexiteers (and other parts of Europe likely to follow) - have rejected a continuation of this under Clinton.

They weren't given the 'ant' option. They were given the option of keeping their 'prey' status under Clinton or 'anti-ant' position of Trump.

Either way, the lions still control the Whitehouse.

What will the lions do when they run out of prey?

Will they eat themselves?

Consider

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20-11-2016, 03:18 AM (This post was last modified: 20-11-2016 03:48 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Trump will be president
(19-11-2016 05:21 PM)Kestrel Wrote:  
morondog Wrote:Hi amigo Smile
Smile

morondog Wrote:I have no idea how you reached the conclusion that he was the best out of the choices presented.
One of the reasons is because he was a political outsider.
There is no way I would vote for a Democrat due to the liberal counter evolutionary policies and ideology.
Libertarianism is a philosophical disaster based on anarchy.
The Green party, I dismiss as more counter evolutionary bullshit.

While I find that there is some meat on the bone to criticize Trump, the primary of examples against him put forth by critics, are predominantly based on emotion and not intellect.

As a quick example;
Full Circle Wrote:From where I sit all those surface traits Trump exhibits such as contempt for women, dislike of anyone who is non-white male, POWs, families of dead soldiers, a free press, the handicapped, fulfilling contractural obligations, discrimination in housing etc. pretty much screams that this is the content of his character and does indeed tell the truth of that person.

So let's start with “contempt for women.”
I certainly have the capacity for feeling contempt toward individuals. I quite often find an individuals behavior and/or actions personally contemptible. However, I am without the personal experience of feeling contempt for a group of people based upon the criteria of a common trait of that group, that exercised no choice in regard to that trait. While I understand the definitions of misogyny, racist, misanthropy, xenophobia, misandry etc, I have no frame of reference within my ideology that allows me to understand or relate to these concepts from within. Therefore I must rely upon observing these traits from without.

“Donald Trump has contempt for women.” “Donald Trump is a misogynist.”

MISOGYNY DEFINITION

CONTEMPT DEFINITION

I do not make it a habit to voluntarily spend time with people I hold in contempt. Let alone voluntarily marry, (multiple times) as Trumps has. Furthermore, I certainly would not deliberately put those I had contempt for in charge of my interests. As Trump has a long history of doing.
Conclusion; Observation does not agree with definition of above assessment. Therefore assessment is false. REJECTED

”Donald Trump is racist” “Donald Trump is xenophobic”

RACIST DEFINITION

XENOPHOBIA DEFINITION

Again, since ones race is not a voluntary choice, racism is not an experience I can draw upon. Taking the definition of racism and viewing Trump through that lens, I can see where some behaviors of his could possibly indicate a lean towards that direction.
It would be more just for me to hear what the group(s) themselves, who are the recipients of this alleged racism have to say.
I'll pick two of the most focused upon groups in this regard; Blacks and Hispanics.

Blacks;
Jesse Jackson praising Trump

Black Trump supporters explaining WHY Trump

Mississippi’s First Black Mayor Charles Evers Endorses Trump For President

Hispanics;
Latinos for Trump

CBS clip

Hispanic ex Trump employee

Gays; (For diversity's sake)

Death threats for gays attending Trump rally

CBS Trump LGBTQ


Hmm.
So within the groups to which Trump is accused of being racist, there are members who do not see it that way. Are they then uninformed? Because to listen to them, they sure don't sound that way. Are they stupid? Self loathing? Ahhh. Perhaps they're simply deplorable.
In any regard, how unenviable the position of having whitey explain to them why they should be offended by Trump.

Conclusion; Given that there is representation of groups that are supposedly recipients of Trumps “racism” that do not recognize or acknowledge the claim, observation does not agree with the above stated charge of racism. REJECTED

Oh! I almost forgot!
On the accusation of Trump being xenophobic;
Aside from the fact that Trump pursues and invests in business interests across the globe, two of his aforementioned wives are foreigners. One Slovenian and one Czechoslovakian.
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”Donald Trump holds contempt for POWs and families of dead soldiers.”

Referencing Trumps response to a McCain attack and Khizr Kahn's speech at the DNC.
IMO, galactically stupid things for Trump to have said.
Yet to paint with an all encompassing brush that it translates to meaning ALL is just as stupid.

Many veterans voted for Trump, although it is my understanding that it was with the smallest margin any Republican has carried, yet still ahead of the Dems.

Conclusion; It is clear through observation that a majority of veterans do not feel Trump holds them in contempt and while a certain number of vets openly declare “Never Hillary” and voted based solely upon that, Trump has recognized the systemic problems of the VA and has vowed to change it.
REJECTED (just barely).


”Donald Trump is against a free press.”

Both Trump and Clinton had their fair share of whining about the press. Both putting forth ideas to limit the press.

Conclusion; With Trumps explicit declaration of wanting to open up libel laws in order to sue, I disagree fervently. A free press should be just that. That the press is biased is just a fact of life. Too bad Don. Suck it up, cupcake. So until I hear him state that the press is off limits...
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”Donald Trump holds the handicapped in contempt.”

Ummm...

Full Circle Wrote:Now you've gone FULL RETARDFacepalm
SOURCE

Full Circle Wrote:...Retard.
SOURCE

Full Circle Wrote:I’m afraid he went full retard.
SOURCE

Conclusion; Painful lack of self awareness, convenient cherry picking of the term handicapped or willful ignorance of hypocrisy while racing to express faux outrage.
REJECTED


Retard. Hobo


“Donald Trump does not fulfill contractual obligations.”


Major construction projects are rife with contractual difficulties. Materials, completion times, risk management, expected quality of workmanship and on and on. Trump may lead the pack in contractor and subcontractor disputes, however it is an accepted industry wide concern.

Quote:The construction industry is a complex and competitive environment in which participants with different views, talents and levels of knowledge of the construction process work together. In this complex environment, participants from various professions, each has its own goals and each expects to make the most of its own benefits. In the construction industry, since differences in perceptions among the participants of the projects, conflicts are inevitable. If conflicts are not well managed, they quickly turn into disputes. Disputes are one of the main factors which prevent the successfully completion of the construction project. Thus, it is important to be aware of the causes of disputes in order to complete the construction project in the desired time, budget and quality.

SOURCE

Conclusion; That Donald Trump is accused of not paying his bills, is interesting but certainly not uncommon in the industry. Observation declares that since Trump has been in business for over 4 decades, if he didn't pay the people who work for him, people would have long ago stopped doing business with him. Yet he and his business endure.
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morondog Wrote:I do believe you voted for a loony Wink
I hear ya. Cool

You forgot the parts where we are afraid of liberty and want to be "slavers'.
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21-11-2016, 01:25 AM
RE: Trump will be president
(19-11-2016 08:54 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 08:50 PM)Fireball Wrote:  Ever notice that a lot of these hyper-xtian peckerheads usually choose a bird of prey for their on-line handles? I've observed this phenomenon over many years.

Interesting. Peckerhead sure seems a better nom de guerre for our friend here.

Um. Kestrel's actually a pretty level-headed guy. Turns out politics makes him excitable.

Kestrel, you can maybe explain away the racism, xenophobia etc, although from what I've read and seen of him that's a bit of a stretch, but frankly he's a demagogue. A crowd pleaser. He's read the crowd better than any of the other politicians which is why he is where he is, but he makes me profoundly uncomfortable with his fear-based nationalistic drum-beating rhetoric. I heard that he's resurrected talks of registering all Muslims in the USA - that kind of thing raises the hair on the back of my neck. Might as well start printing green crescent-and-stars for people to wear on their clothes.

There's a chance he may actually turn out OK but... it's a *very* long shot IMO. Anyway, I do hope that he does 'cos if he doesn't you guys are extremely fucked.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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21-11-2016, 04:20 AM
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(19-11-2016 05:41 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 05:37 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  So long as we have national standards, I think reciprocity is fair. I was speaking more about gun-control legislation.

You don't need legislation for gun control....

You need breath control, arm muscle conditioning, and lots of practice....

Big Grin

Dude, that's a little personal, don'tcha think?
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21-11-2016, 04:25 AM
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(21-11-2016 04:20 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 05:41 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  You don't need legislation for gun control....

You need breath control, arm muscle conditioning, and lots of practice....

Big Grin

Dude, that's a little personal, don'tcha think?

Did I miss something? He's clearly making a play on words, in that he's taking 'gun control' not to mean legislation, but rather control (skill) in handling a firearm. Such skill is built over time and requires breath control, coordination, and plenty of practice at the firing range.

What part of that is personal? Consider

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21-11-2016, 04:48 AM
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(19-11-2016 05:41 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  You don't need legislation for gun control....

You need breath control, arm muscle conditioning, and lots of practice....

Same probably goes for auto-asphyxiation.
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21-11-2016, 05:07 AM
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(21-11-2016 04:25 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Did I miss something? He's clearly making a play on words, in that he's taking 'gun control' not to mean legislation, but rather control (skill) in handling a firearm. Such skill is built over time and requires breath control, coordination, and plenty of practice at the firing range.

What part of that is personal? Consider
I think Thump was subtly pointing out that onlinebiker's choice of words sounds like an innuendo for masturbation. Tongue

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21-11-2016, 05:09 AM
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(21-11-2016 05:07 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(21-11-2016 04:25 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Did I miss something? He's clearly making a play on words, in that he's taking 'gun control' not to mean legislation, but rather control (skill) in handling a firearm. Such skill is built over time and requires breath control, coordination, and plenty of practice at the firing range.

What part of that is personal? Consider
I think Thump was subtly pointing out that onlinebiker's choice of words sounds like an innuendo for masturbation. Tongue

I can see that now, but how one would arrive at 'masturbation' before 'target practice' is kinda beyond me. Undecided

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21-11-2016, 05:09 AM
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(21-11-2016 05:07 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(21-11-2016 04:25 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Did I miss something? He's clearly making a play on words, in that he's taking 'gun control' not to mean legislation, but rather control (skill) in handling a firearm. Such skill is built over time and requires breath control, coordination, and plenty of practice at the firing range.

What part of that is personal? Consider
I think Thump was subtly pointing out that onlinebiker's choice of words sounds like an innuendo for masturbation. Tongue

Yeah that's how I read it Big Grin
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