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04-08-2014, 11:46 AM
Try and prove me wrong on this...
I am a person who views my own emotional well-being as something very important and for people who have opinions such as that it is not and that I should totally disregard it for the sake of helping others and such (even helping others with very minor things in life), these are the types of people I hate and I wish to argue with these people in order to try to get through to them how I am right and how they're wrong.

Here is my argument as to why I think my emotional well-being (pleasure) is the most important thing here in this situation:

If, let's pretend, there were a portal right there in front of me right now that would lead me to a life of perfection and eternal joy and I had the choice to either go into that portal or instead remain here on Earth and suffer with depression and such and help other people, I would go into that portal. Now before you think negative of me and such, I would actually take care of this situation of other people not being helped by having someone take my place to help others and make up for the help I chose not to offer. Then after I have chosen someone, I would then enter the portal and leave this world.

If you still think negative of me and such, I am going to clearly prove you wrong. First off, this is a "two birds with one stone situation" in which I have not only taken care of the situation in which other people have not been helped by me, but I also have given myself a life of perfection and eternal joy as well. Second, for you to still think negative of me would mean that you think that having this burden placed on someone else in helping others is more important than my own emotional well-being (my pleasure and such). This is obviously wrong and my emotional well-being is far more important than some extremely minor inconvenience in comparison in which this person would have to make up for the help I did not offer others.

Also, life has no meaning and is whatever meaning you give it. So whatever meaning I give myself such as that my happiness is the most important thing more important than anything in the world and I am all great, etc., then this would be something true (only for me).

Now being alive is superior to being dead as long as you have pleasure. So if I am emotionally alive (have all the pleasure in the world), then that makes me superior and a better person than if I were to be depressed and numb (emotionally dead) regardless of who I am, what attitude I have, and how much I help others. Even if I were a psychopath and killed many people, as long as I have all the pleasure in the world, that would make me a far better and superior person than if I were someone who is depressed and emotionally numb and helped and cared for other people. Pleasure is the absolute and defining life force of "living" and a living thing that makes you better and superior (as I know just how good of a experience pleasure is and how much it makes life worth living and is the only thing to me that makes life worth living). Without it, you are nothing regardless of how much you help others and such. So even if I didn't choose to have someone take my place in helping others before I went into that portal, I would still be the better person for choosing to have all the pleasure in the world and living a life of self-empowerment, perfection, and eternal joy.

If someone were to try to prevent me from entering that portal, even if they were innocent, I would become a psychopath and ruthlessly kill this person for not having any value towards my own emotional well-being and instead choosing to view helping others as far more important and devaluing my own emotional well-being for this sake (when I clearly know that my own emotional well-being is far more important in this case, especially since I have chosen to have someone take my place in helping others). This is another reason why I feel empowered by watching anime and feeling empowered from characters in anime who are ruthless and have a sense of self-empowerment and such. So in killing this person trying to prevent me from entering that portal, I would of felt awesome just like these ruthless characters.

Finally, if I had the choice to either be retarded and have all the pleasure in the world and give the person the burden of having to take care of me or to be intelligent and have no pleasure and not give a person this burden, I would not only choose to be retarded for all of my reasons given here, but also because this person (especially if it were my own family) should value my own emotional well-being in which they would be devastated knowing the fact that I am living a life of no pleasure despite the fact that I am intelligent and such. And that it would be far better for them to have the burden of taking care of me if I were retarded because, even though they would have this burden and perhaps a hard life resulting from it, they would at least know that I am happy and that would make them feel happy and at peace as opposed to them being devastated if I were intelligent and such with no pleasure.
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04-08-2014, 12:39 PM
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(04-08-2014 11:46 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  I am a person who views my own emotional well-being as something very important and for people who have opinions such as that it is not and that I should totally disregard it for the sake of helping others and such (even helping others with very minor things in life), these are the types of people I hate and I wish to argue with these people in order to try to get through to them how I am right and how they're wrong.

Here is my argument as to why I think my emotional well-being (pleasure) is the most important thing here in this situation:

If, let's pretend, there were a portal right there in front of me right now that would lead me to a life of perfection and eternal joy and I had the choice to either go into that portal or instead remain here on Earth and suffer with depression and such and help other people, I would go into that portal. Now before you think negative of me and such, I would actually take care of this situation of other people not being helped by having someone take my place to help others and make up for the help I chose not to offer. Then after I have chosen someone, I would then enter the portal and leave this world.

If you still think negative of me and such, I am going to clearly prove you wrong. First off, this is a "two birds with one stone situation" in which I have not only taken care of the situation in which other people have not been helped by me, but I also have given myself a life of perfection and eternal joy as well. Second, for you to still think negative of me would mean that you think that having this burden placed on someone else in helping others is more important than my own emotional well-being (my pleasure and such). This is obviously wrong and my emotional well-being is far more important than some extremely minor inconvenience in comparison in which this person would have to make up for the help I did not offer others.

Also, life has no meaning and is whatever meaning you give it. So whatever meaning I give myself such as that my happiness is the most important thing more important than anything in the world and I am all great, etc., then this would be something true (only for me).

Now being alive is superior to being dead as long as you have pleasure. So if I am emotionally alive (have all the pleasure in the world), then that makes me superior and a better person than if I were to be depressed and numb (emotionally dead) regardless of who I am, what attitude I have, and how much I help others. Even if I were a psychopath and killed many people, as long as I have all the pleasure in the world, that would make me a far better and superior person than if I were someone who is depressed and emotionally numb and helped and cared for other people. Pleasure is the absolute and defining life force of "living" and a living thing that makes you better and superior (as I know just how good of a experience pleasure is and how much it makes life worth living and is the only thing to me that makes life worth living). Without it, you are nothing regardless of how much you help others and such. So even if I didn't choose to have someone take my place in helping others before I went into that portal, I would still be the better person for choosing to have all the pleasure in the world and living a life of self-empowerment, perfection, and eternal joy.

If someone were to try to prevent me from entering that portal, even if they were innocent, I would become a psychopath and ruthlessly kill this person for not having any value towards my own emotional well-being and instead choosing to view helping others as far more important and devaluing my own emotional well-being for this sake (when I clearly know that my own emotional well-being is far more important in this case, especially since I have chosen to have someone take my place in helping others). This is another reason why I feel empowered by watching anime and feeling empowered from characters in anime who are ruthless and have a sense of self-empowerment and such. So in killing this person trying to prevent me from entering that portal, I would of felt awesome just like these ruthless characters.

Finally, if I had the choice to either be retarded and have all the pleasure in the world and give the person the burden of having to take care of me or to be intelligent and have no pleasure and not give a person this burden, I would not only choose to be retarded for all of my reasons given here, but also because this person (especially if it were my own family) should value my own emotional well-being in which they would be devastated knowing the fact that I am living a life of no pleasure despite the fact that I am intelligent and such. And that it would be far better for them to have the burden of taking care of me if I were retarded because, even though they would have this burden and perhaps a hard life resulting from it, they would at least know that I am happy and that would make them feel happy and at peace as opposed to them being devastated if I were intelligent and such with no pleasure.

Humm. You have a lot of stuff going on here. Personally I don't think negatively of you for wanting to go through a portal to total joy and bliss if that's what important to you. I'm assuming that you're making a connection to what many Christians and thiests call "heaven" which is eternal. I just have a problem with the eternal bliss and constant joy thing. I personally can't think of a worse predicament to be in than living eternally, always joyous and happy. On the surface it sounds great when one suffers from depression because that's all a depressed person wants.....joy and bliss and relief from the darkness. Medication for depression can be that portal to a better place, maybe not the complete happiness you envision but closer to it.

When you're young and depressed, as I assume you are, there doesn't seem to be any options available and this is nonsense. At this time in your life you don't know what you don't know. Stick around, you'll find out what you don't know and you will be amazed.

By the way, you know what they say about wishes....."Be careful what you wish for, it just MIGHT come true."

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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04-08-2014, 12:40 PM
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TLDR...

Try to prove... Not "Try and prove"
Or maybe just "Prove me wrong", because trying is likely not necessary.

That is all; good luck with your ramblings.
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04-08-2014, 12:50 PM
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Same post.
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid617274

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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04-08-2014, 01:29 PM
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SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!
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04-08-2014, 01:45 PM
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(04-08-2014 01:29 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!

Yes, spam but behind the spam is someone with problems to solve.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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04-08-2014, 01:52 PM
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I'm going to say that the pleasure I get in my life is more fulfilling than the pleasure you get in your life.
The pleasure in your life is more than likely from one source. That source being you.
Since your own emotional well-being is your primary concern, it becomes less likely that you will expand your mental well-being to include the happiness of others.

For me, seeing other people happy, adds to my own pleasure. So, not only do I have my own pleasure that I'm experiencing, but I have the added pleasure of being happy for others. When I help others, the act of helping, the act of striving to do something I wouldn't normally do also expands my mental well-being. It does so by giving me the confidence that what I set out to do can be accomplished.

Let's compare you sitting on a chair in a room devoid of any other people. You are as content with life and maximizing your pleasure as you possibly can be.

I am in bed with two women while strippers dance around on poles. I have a Guinness in my hand with my favorite music playing while one of the women feeds me a pulled pork BBQ sandwich and the other is helping me to enjoy the rest of my time.
I am helping the two women and the pole dancers to become better at their given profession. This brings me added joy to my well-being to know that my contribution to their college careers is money well spent.

I win. You lose. I prove that my life of helping others and caring for the well-being of others can offer a person MORE pleasure than I could ever obtain by myself.

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04-08-2014, 02:00 PM
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Your selfishness is only slightly tweaked by guilt. Without guilt you would be morally barren.
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04-08-2014, 02:02 PM
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(04-08-2014 01:52 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  I'm going to say that the pleasure I get in my life is more fulfilling than the pleasure you get in your life.
The pleasure in your life is more than likely from one source. That source being you.
Since your own emotional well-being is your primary concern, it becomes less likely that you will expand your mental well-being to include the happiness of others.

For me, seeing other people happy, adds to my own pleasure. So, not only do I have my own pleasure that I'm experiencing, but I have the added pleasure of being happy for others. When I help others, the act of helping, the act of striving to do something I wouldn't normally do also expands my mental well-being. It does so by giving me the confidence that what I set out to do can be accomplished.

Let's compare you sitting on a chair in a room devoid of any other people. You are as content with life and maximizing your pleasure as you possibly can be.

I am in bed with two women while strippers dance around on poles. I have a Guinness in my hand with my favorite music playing while one of the women feeds me a pulled pork BBQ sandwich and the other is helping me to enjoy the rest of my time.
I am helping the two women and the pole dancers to become better at their given profession. This brings me added joy to my well-being to know that my contribution to their college careers is money well spent.

I win. You lose. I prove that my life of helping others and caring for the well-being of others can offer a person MORE pleasure than I could ever obtain by myself.

That is entirely too much depth. If you were more shallow, you would be even more easily fulfilled. Er something... Consider

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04-08-2014, 02:07 PM
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(04-08-2014 01:52 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  I'm going to say that the pleasure I get in my life is more fulfilling than the pleasure you get in your life.
The pleasure in your life is more than likely from one source. That source being you.
Since your own emotional well-being is your primary concern, it becomes less likely that you will expand your mental well-being to include the happiness of others.

For me, seeing other people happy, adds to my own pleasure. So, not only do I have my own pleasure that I'm experiencing, but I have the added pleasure of being happy for others. When I help others, the act of helping, the act of striving to do something I wouldn't normally do also expands my mental well-being. It does so by giving me the confidence that what I set out to do can be accomplished.

Let's compare you sitting on a chair in a room devoid of any other people. You are as content with life and maximizing your pleasure as you possibly can be.

I am in bed with two women while strippers dance around on poles. I have a Guinness in my hand with my favorite music playing while one of the women feeds me a pulled pork BBQ sandwich and the other is helping me to enjoy the rest of my time.
I am helping the two women and the pole dancers to become better at their given profession. This brings me added joy to my well-being to know that my contribution to their college careers is money well spent.

I win. You lose. I prove that my life of helping others and caring for the well-being of others can offer a person MORE pleasure than I could ever obtain by myself.
I'm not saying that pleasure you obtain regarding yourself is superior to pleasure obtained from helping and caring for others. My argument was against helping others being superior to pleasure in general and any form of pleasure whether it be pleasure in helping others or pleasure regarding anything in life.
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