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23-01-2017, 06:26 PM
RE: Ttrump refuses to release tax returns
(23-01-2017 05:54 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Businesses get sued. Money grubbers. Liars looking for a payday. Mistakes by subordinates. It happens. That's why it's a civil court thing. You pay a fine to the government or the person that was wronged or both.
That's a truism and I have no argument with the point. Not every suit has merit. Trump's a big target because he says he's rich so he's bound to attract characters looking for a big payout.

(23-01-2017 05:54 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Russia is not our direct enemy. Many American companies do business there. Ford makes and sells trucks in Russia. Is the Ford CEO a traitor? Starbucks has coffee shops in Russia. Is Howard Schultz a criminal? Amazon? Pepsi? General Electric? McDonalds? I could go on.

Almost every American billionaire has ties to Russia. It's all nonsense.

You would be correct if it wasn't confirmed - by Trump and other members of the GOP itself - that Russia did interfere with the electoral process with an aim to helping Trump win.

Charlie Rose: The Russians did try to interfere with the election (against HRC).
Ryan: No one disputes that

Source: Charlie Rose interviews Paul Ryan, Jan 18 - the salient quote is at about 9:50 to 10:15

It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to put Trump's ties to Russia and Putin's assistance in getting him elected together to see that not all is as innocent as you might believe. Trump'is inner circle has already been caught lying about being in contact with Putin's inner circle. Even Fox has reported it. Source: Intel Agencies Probing Contact Between Gen. Flynn, Russia For 5 Months

It's one thing to do business with Russian interests. It's another thing entirely to have Russian political interests interfering with the US election.

There's no way on the planet that you would let HRC get away with anything even close to this. But somehow DJT gets a free pass.

These stories about Trump's repeated lies and Russian contacts are not going away.
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23-01-2017, 06:28 PM
RE: Ttrump refuses to release tax returns
(23-01-2017 05:54 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Is Howard Schultz a criminal? Amazon? Pepsi? General Electric? McDonalds? I could go on.

Are most liberals "un-American", dipshit?

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23-01-2017, 06:32 PM
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A bit off topic, but is there a legal process for forcing a President to sell his shares in businesses he owns the majority of? Would such a thing warrant thoughts of impeachment, or has something like it happened before?

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23-01-2017, 06:35 PM
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(23-01-2017 05:54 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(23-01-2017 05:37 PM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  True, Trump has not yet been convicted of a misdemeanor or felony (AFAIK).

But his scandal sheet is long and growing by the minute. Source: The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet

But it's not this level of scandal that will be his downfall. It will be his abrogation of the emoluments clause and/or his ties to Russia. Sources: Here's Why Donald Trump Is Getting Sued By a Financial Ethics Watchdog and Donald Trump’s Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia

Funny how Bill Clinton was impeached for a blowjob, but DJT can run afoul of the constitution and have confirmed ties to an enemy state and the right-wing still (for the time being) supports him.

How much lower can the Republicans get?

Businesses get sued. Money grubbers. Liars looking for a payday. Mistakes by subordinates. It happens. That's why it's a civil court thing. You pay a fine to the government or the person that was wronged or both.

Russia is not our direct enemy. Many American companies do business there. Ford makes and sells trucks in Russia. Is the Ford CEO a traitor? Starbucks has coffee shops in Russia. Is Howard Schultz a criminal? Amazon? Pepsi? General Electric? McDonalds? I could go on.

Almost every American billionaire has ties to Russia. It's all nonsense.
Is this supposed to only acknowledge that corporations are people that can be criminals?

"Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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23-01-2017, 06:37 PM
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(23-01-2017 06:32 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  A bit off topic, but is there a legal process for forcing a President to sell his shares in businesses he owns the majority of? Would such a thing warrant thoughts of impeachment, or has something like it happened before?

I believe the answer would be no to all 3 questions.

A president would have to take actions that directly benefit himself. For example, if the corporate tax rate is lowered from 35% to 15%
That would benefit him, but would not benefit him ONLY. Therefore not illegal. Now if he did something like influence his company to get a government contract that could be trouble.

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24-01-2017, 12:50 AM
RE: Ttrump refuses to release tax returns
(23-01-2017 06:37 PM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(23-01-2017 06:32 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  A bit off topic, but is there a legal process for forcing a President to sell his shares in businesses he owns the majority of? Would such a thing warrant thoughts of impeachment, or has something like it happened before?

I believe the answer would be no to all 3 questions.

A president would have to take actions that directly benefit himself. For example, if the corporate tax rate is lowered from 35% to 15%
That would benefit him, but would not benefit him ONLY. Therefore not illegal. Now if he did something like influence his company to get a government contract that could be trouble.

As a President, no, that's unfortunately perfectly fine. China having a bank office in his tower is a potential problem. However as the head of a corporation, he has legal obligations to his shareholders (trying to do everything in his power to increase profit and the value of the shares), and if he do not use the office of the President to their best advantage (raising share prices), they would have a legitimate case to remove him from head of the company (effectively, a shareholder revolt). So it would actually be in his best interest to voluntarily step down and place his interest in a trust while he's President, but that would require Trump acting in a sane and rational matter; so that's not going to happen.




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