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08-06-2014, 05:37 PM
Turing Test Officially Passed.
By a program pretending to be a 13 yo boy: Computer becomes first to pass Turing Test in artificial intelligence milestone, but academics warn of dangerous future.

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08-06-2014, 05:51 PM
RE: Turing Test Officially Passed.
Now it's only a matter of time before Skynet becomes self-aware. Shocking
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08-06-2014, 06:46 PM
RE: Turing Test Officially Passed.
Well we're fucked.

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08-06-2014, 10:19 PM
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Interesting, but designing a program to pretending to be a 13 year old boy is a far cry from designing a program to learn like a human baby. Whenever we manage the later, then we'll be super fucked.

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08-06-2014, 11:18 PM
RE: Turing Test Officially Passed.
There aren't any links to try out the bot Dodgy .

Hard to say anything intelligent about it. The source gives almost no useful information.
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09-06-2014, 02:17 AM
RE: Turing Test Officially Passed.
(08-06-2014 10:19 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Interesting, but designing a program to pretending to be a 13 year old boy is a far cry from designing a program to learn like a human baby. Whenever we manage the later, then we'll be super fucked.

A 13 year old foreign boy of middling intellect, kind of set the bar low there and it still only fooled just over the bare minimum. Absol was a way better example of the Turing test, we still don't know if that thing was a program or not.

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09-06-2014, 02:31 AM
Turing Test Officially Passed.
(08-06-2014 10:19 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Interesting, but designing a program to pretending to be a 13 year old boy is a far cry from designing a program to learn like a human baby. Whenever we manage the later, then we'll be super fucked.

I can't say a thoroughly coded simulation of a human mind would be distinguishable from an actual human mind.

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09-06-2014, 02:56 AM
RE: Turing Test Officially Passed.
The Turing test was passed ages ago, albeit in a less impressive way. Parry was written in 1972 to emulate a paranoid schizophrenic. The trick is to keep the conversation confined to a specific area. This is why religious zealots can be indistinguishable from computer programs. I wouldn't want to bet money a program hasn't yet been written to emulate a religious zealot and also passed the Turing test.

A 13 year old has far more scope to talk about the world, which is why it is impressive but they are essentially using the same technique.

Quote:"Our main idea was that he can claim that he knows anything, but his age also makes it perfectly reasonable that he doesn't know everything," said Vladimir Veselov, one of the creators of the programme.

But regardless, it must be remembered that this is all essentially trickery. Most of Artificial Intelligence is. The computer does not understand what it is saying because it is not embodied in the real world. It's still just a program matching the right string of input text to output text.

It's actually quite surprising what you can do with trickery but making it scale becomes increasingly difficult. This is why scaling the technique up to emulate a 13 year old was impressive. But it's also why it required a supercomputer to perform a parlour trick.
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09-06-2014, 03:22 AM (This post was last modified: 09-06-2014 03:33 AM by One Above All.)
RE: Turing Test Officially Passed.
Countdown to termination: 100 years.

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09-06-2014, 04:04 AM
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(09-06-2014 02:56 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  The Turing test was passed ages ago, albeit in a less impressive way. Parry was written in 1972 to emulate a paranoid schizophrenic. The trick is to keep the conversation confined to a specific area. This is why religious zealots can be indistinguishable from computer programs. I wouldn't want to bet money a program hasn't yet been written to emulate a religious zealot and also passed the Turing test.

A 13 year old has far more scope to talk about the world, which is why it is impressive but they are essentially using the same technique.

Quote:"Our main idea was that he can claim that he knows anything, but his age also makes it perfectly reasonable that he doesn't know everything," said Vladimir Veselov, one of the creators of the programme.

But regardless, it must be remembered that this is all essentially trickery. Most of Artificial Intelligence is. The computer does not understand what it is saying because it is not embodied in the real world. It's still just a program matching the right string of input text to output text.

It's actually quite surprising what you can do with trickery but making it scale becomes increasingly difficult. This is why scaling the technique up to emulate a 13 year old was impressive. But it's also why it required a supercomputer to perform a parlour trick.

This is why I can't help but wonder if this approach to AI is fundamentally flawed. I think you'd have a better idea simulating the basic fundamental operating principles of a brain (whatever those may be), then scaling that process up. It's like recreating a flock of birds or a school of fish. You can painstakingly animate each and every of the hundreds of birds/fishes. Or you can design a simulation that operates on a few basic and local rules for the behavior of an individual bird/fish, and then just scale that up to flock/school size and see what happens. The key to AI may be the same as programming a herd simulation. The point is not to recreate the output (the parlor trick), but rather to recreated the fundamental rules governing the individual neurons and their signals, and to scale that simulation up a few trillion times.

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