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27-11-2016, 11:20 AM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(27-11-2016 10:24 AM)ShadowProject Wrote:  My spouse is a college professor. And a liberal one, at that. But he keeps his opinions out of the classroom, unless it is somehow relevant to the discussion.

Personally, I found this same principal pertained to most of my college professors, with the exception of one born-again (she was very upfront about that) who devoted an entire class to abortion. This was a class in philosophy, abortion was not part of the curriculum. She was reported (rightly so), but retained her job.

I try not to, but sometimes students get offended by what we're discussing and the actual data. One example is prison privatization, my personal opinion probably leaks through a bit as we discuss the higher incidences of staff turnover and violence, as well as the shoddy training and low pay. (Also I bring up the going stock price for CCA and Geo Group, the two largest companies.) Another couple of times, we've discussed biological theories of crime, and people have gotten upset that I treat evolution as a fact.

Your example on the prof with the beliefs she couldn't keep to herself is both sad and reminiscent of my own experiences while in college. Had a minister who was a math adjunct who bounced sermon ideas off of us, and a biology adjunct who taught Creationism in her classroom. Edit: Oh and in high school in Sunday School, they took the Seniors aside to warn us of those evil liberal atheist college professors who would try to make us abandon our faith. Tongue Well, I started college as a Baptist and by the end of my second degree, was a Catholic. Though there's not a correlation there with faculty...

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28-11-2016, 12:58 AM (This post was last modified: 28-11-2016 01:53 AM by morondog.)
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(26-11-2016 06:49 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Yup...Joe would be proud. Also love the submitting McCarthy. I looked up two schools that are on the list, where I know folks. No one I know, but their standard of "news" is pathetically low. Campus Reform, NeoCon anti-public university website. One guy is on there because he didn't want to discuss pro-fracking opinions, and another woman is just a TA and on there, because she attended a seminar about the idea of White Privilege.

This is precisely how as a good oppressor you should use the website. The idea is to create a climate of fear, that *anyone*, no matter how lowly and for any spurious reason, can be put on THE LIST. So people reporting other people for spite, people adding people for going to seminars they think they shouldn't go to - ABSOLUTELY- these people must be put on the list. You want to create a feeling among the college professors that someone is watching you for signs of being too liberal *all the time*.

The other thing you need to do is make sure that *being* on the list is no fun. i.e. that is has tangible negative effects for the list members. So if this was Zim list members would probably actually disappear, but your local crowd probably aren't that confident yet. You could make sure that a few get in the papers for being assaulted by alt-right members. Send a few threatening phone calls. That kind of thing. You want to make it a. seem patriotic to report people to the list b. very clear that being on the list is not a good plan c. make it clear that the way to avoid being on the list is by toeing the line as to how you teach.

You've won once college professors start reporting each other.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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28-11-2016, 08:00 AM
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Completely agreed. Sad And it wouldn't shock me to arrange that sort of thing on the alt-right. Hell, I could easily have something linked to me in a few weeks if it upset a certain group, because I was interviewed by a magazine about cyber vigilantism.

Also with sites like CampusReform, almost anyone can write for them to provide "news". I'm also wondering if Twitter would work as well, because students do post about classes on social media. One of my more Left leaning friends in grad school had a Twitter hashtag his classes began to use about the stuff he'd say, so his name was being linked to out of context quotes like "Communism is awesome" when he would have said something like, "and that's why Marx would say Communism is awesome".

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28-11-2016, 08:08 AM
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One of the most effective methods Castro (since he is currently on the news) used to repress dissidents was the formation of neighborhood watchdogs to report unsocialist activities. These were neighbors turned against neighbors partially for ideology but mostly for a larger portion of rations to eat.

When the government turns its citizens against one another it is the epitome of repression. While in this case it is private citizens trying to repress others the results are nearly as corrosive to a free society.

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28-11-2016, 08:57 AM
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(28-11-2016 12:58 AM)morondog Wrote:  This is precisely how as a good oppressor you should use the website. The idea is to create a climate of fear, that *anyone*, no matter how lowly and for any spurious reason, can be put on THE LIST. So people reporting other people for spite, people adding people for going to seminars they think they shouldn't go to - ABSOLUTELY- these people must be put on the list. You want to create a feeling among the college professors that someone is watching you for signs of being too liberal *all the time*.

The other thing you need to do is make sure that *being* on the list is no fun. i.e. that is has tangible negative effects for the list members. So if this was Zim list members would probably actually disappear, but your local crowd probably aren't that confident yet. You could make sure that a few get in the papers for being assaulted by alt-right members. Send a few threatening phone calls. That kind of thing. You want to make it a. seem patriotic to report people to the list b. very clear that being on the list is not a good plan c. make it clear that the way to avoid being on the list is by toeing the line as to how you teach.

You've won once college professors start reporting each other.


Also some ideas in completely unrelated fields should be deemed not in keeping with the national character, e.g. too Jewish in Nazi Germany, or in the McCarthy era too revolutionary.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Condon

Quote:During the McCarthy period, when efforts were being made to root out communist sympathizers in the United States, Edward Condon was a target of the House Un-American Activities Committee on the grounds that he was a 'follower' of a 'new revolutionary movement', quantum mechanics; Condon defended himself with a famous commitment to physics and science.

Quote:Years later, Carl Sagan reported how Condon described one encounter with a loyalty review board. A board member stated his concern: "Dr. Condon, it says here that you have been at the forefront of a revolutionary movement in physics called...quantum mechanics. It strikes this hearing that if you could be at the forefront of one revolutionary movement...you could be at the forefront of another".
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28-11-2016, 09:11 AM
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(28-11-2016 08:00 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  One of my more Left leaning friends in grad school had a Twitter hashtag his classes began to use about the stuff he'd say, so his name was being linked to out of context quotes like "Communism is awesome" when he would have said something like, "and that's why Marx would say Communism is awesome".

And why the hell shouldn't he say that communism is awesome? If society is truly free then an idea should stand on its merits, not be repressed because some dickhead thinks its a good idea. Anyway, with any luck this will just be another bunch of twits doing whatever the fuck twits do, and won't catch on.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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28-11-2016, 11:18 AM
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(26-11-2016 03:07 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  I'm furious! So I went to the ProfessorWatchlist linked to the website and left a tip on a professor named Joseph McCarthy.

http://professorwatchlist.org/index.php/submit-a-tip

I said Mr. Joseph R. McCarthy was the teacher and this is what I wrote:

"Has accused others of disloyalty and denied others the freedom of speech. He has ignored the Constitutional right to criticize, the right to hold unpopular beliefs, the right to protest and the right of independent thought."

The site wants to know if there is news sources that have covered this and I posted this!





I changed my phone number but they have my email address however I don't care.



FUCK YOU, YOU GODDAMN ASSHOLES!!!

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28-11-2016, 11:45 AM
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(28-11-2016 08:08 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  One of the most effective methods Castro (since he is currently on the news) used to repress dissidents was the formation of neighborhood watchdogs to report unsocialist activities. These were neighbors turned against neighbors partially for ideology but mostly for a larger portion of rations to eat.

When the government turns its citizens against one another it is the epitome of repression. While in this case it is private citizens trying to repress others the results are nearly as corrosive to a free society.

You can learn this from "Tyrants handbook", p. 123
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28-11-2016, 01:16 PM (This post was last modified: 28-11-2016 01:22 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
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This is particularly horrifying to me because Germany didn't start out oppressing people for race (just a lot of bad talk and proximate-agent violence) until after they had silenced all the liberal professors and other intellectuals who could oppose the ideologues. The backlash of the fascists in the 1930s followed one of the most liberal-minded periods in German history; Berlin was a forefront of open minded thought, for its day, from music to dance to lifestyles... then it all turned around when the religious/conservative "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" crowd found their ideal leader for giving voice to all their economic and social frustrations.

My great grandfather [edit: who was a professor of engineering but a liberal thinker] left Germany and brought my 7-year-old grandmother to the United States in 1933, just before the borders closed, as part of an educational seminar, applied for work permits and later for refugee status, and stayed once the war started. We've been here ever since. Undecided

This stuff makes me see flashes of 1933, not 1954.

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28-11-2016, 01:28 PM (This post was last modified: 28-11-2016 01:39 PM by Szuchow.)
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Germans were guilty of mass murder (so also racial violence) long before Shoah. Look on genocide of Herero.

If you're talking in context of Nazis then I would say that oppression still preempted elimination of professors, example being boycott of April 1, 1933 or Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service.

Edit: I'm not convinced that Hitler could be seen as leader of conservatives. True, he was traditional in regards to women place and art but at the same time he wanted Germany to became racial meritocracy with socialist policies in nationalistic guise. I think better summation would be: Hitler gained conservatives support by using right rhetoric for right people.

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