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28-11-2016, 01:51 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 01:16 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  This is particularly horrifying to me because Germany didn't start out oppressing people for race (just a lot of bad talk and proximate-agent violence) until after they had silenced all the liberal professors and other intellectuals who could oppose the ideologues. The backlash of the fascists in the 1930s followed one of the most liberal-minded periods in German history; Berlin was a forefront of open minded thought, for its day, from music to dance to lifestyles... then it all turned around when the religious/conservative "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" crowd found their ideal leader for giving voice to all their economic and social frustrations.

My great grandfather [edit: who was a professor of engineering but a liberal thinker] left Germany and brought my 7-year-old grandmother to the United States in 1933, just before the borders closed, as part of an educational seminar, applied for work permits and later for refugee status, and stayed once the war started. We've been here ever since. Undecided

This stuff makes me see flashes of 1933, not 1954.

If it gets too bad in the US you might want to consider German citizenship

http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/e...tored.html

I'm currently getting all the information I need to become a German citizen myself and so have been looking into it in some detail.
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28-11-2016, 02:10 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 01:51 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(28-11-2016 01:16 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  This is particularly horrifying to me because Germany didn't start out oppressing people for race (just a lot of bad talk and proximate-agent violence) until after they had silenced all the liberal professors and other intellectuals who could oppose the ideologues. The backlash of the fascists in the 1930s followed one of the most liberal-minded periods in German history; Berlin was a forefront of open minded thought, for its day, from music to dance to lifestyles... then it all turned around when the religious/conservative "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" crowd found their ideal leader for giving voice to all their economic and social frustrations.

My great grandfather [edit: who was a professor of engineering but a liberal thinker] left Germany and brought my 7-year-old grandmother to the United States in 1933, just before the borders closed, as part of an educational seminar, applied for work permits and later for refugee status, and stayed once the war started. We've been here ever since. Undecided

This stuff makes me see flashes of 1933, not 1954.

If it gets too bad in the US you might want to consider German citizenship

http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/e...tored.html

I'm currently getting all the information I need to become a German citizen myself and so have been looking into it in some detail.

Did the embassy mention that there is a final test before you get your passport?
They will bring you to a room....you have to undress there...then you need to put on some lederhosen...then they will sit you down on a desk...and...*gasp*...you will have to eat sauerkraut, yes, sauerkraut.

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28-11-2016, 02:18 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
http://www.tpusa.com/aboutus/our-mission/
Quote:Turning Point USA educates students about the importance of fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government. Through non-partisan debate, dialogue, and discussion, Turning Point USA believes that every young person can be enlightened to true free market values.
Interesting. So why is the list only for "liberal professors" and not "partisan professors" or at least having a second one for "conservative professors" too..? Consider

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28-11-2016, 02:25 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 02:18 PM)Impulse Wrote:  http://www.tpusa.com/aboutus/our-mission/
Quote:Turning Point USA educates students about the importance of fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government. Through non-partisan debate, dialogue, and discussion, Turning Point USA believes that every young person can be enlightened to true free market values.
Interesting. So why is the list only for "liberal professors" and not "partisan professors" or at least having a second one for "conservative professors" too..? Consider

You know damn well why.



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28-11-2016, 02:28 PM
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(28-11-2016 09:11 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(28-11-2016 08:00 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  One of my more Left leaning friends in grad school had a Twitter hashtag his classes began to use about the stuff he'd say, so his name was being linked to out of context quotes like "Communism is awesome" when he would have said something like, "and that's why Marx would say Communism is awesome".

And why the hell shouldn't he say that communism is awesome? If society is truly free then an idea should stand on its merits, not be repressed because some dickhead thinks its a good idea. Anyway, with any luck this will just be another bunch of twits doing whatever the fuck twits do, and won't catch on.

He should have been able to, true. However his rural PA students probably wouldn't have taken it the best, unfortunately. It took me the better part of 2.5 years to understand "those people from Philadelphia" was coded talk for the N-word.

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28-11-2016, 02:33 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
I just went to turning points site and submitted this through their "contact us" page:

"I was wondering, since you claim to be non-partisan, why the watch list for liberal professors? Why not partisan professors? Or you could have two lists, one for liberal and another for conservative professors? Are you truly interested in identifying biases in college teaching or only in eliminating liberal views?"

I'll post the reply if and when I get one.

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28-11-2016, 02:49 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
meh ... just another Accuracy in Academia wannabe.

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28-11-2016, 02:51 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 01:28 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  @RocketSurgeon

Germans were guilty of mass murder (so also racial violence) long before Shoah. Look on genocide of Herero.

If you're talking in context of Nazis then I would say that oppression still preempted elimination of professors, example being boycott of April 1, 1933 or Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service.

Edit: I'm not convinced that Hitler could be seen as leader of conservatives. True, he was traditional in regards to women place and art but at the same time he wanted Germany to became racial meritocracy with socialist policies in nationalistic guise. I think better summation would be: Hitler gained conservatives support by using right rhetoric for right people.

Most imperial nations did similar things, including England and the United States, in the 19th and early 20th centuries. I wasn't trying to suggest that Germany was innocent of imperialism with a strong racial basis, prior to 1933... only that when we saw the rise of the fascists, it started with strong "Make Germany Great Again" rhetoric, and a popular backlash against the liberals (and any other sort of intellectual who doubted that such discriminatory policies were a good idea).

You'll note that the Civil Service Law specifically targeted (aside from the racial thing) anyone who was a proponent of socialism.

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28-11-2016, 02:57 PM
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(28-11-2016 01:28 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  Edit: I'm not convinced that Hitler could be seen as leader of conservatives. True, he was traditional in regards to women place and art but at the same time he wanted Germany to became racial meritocracy with socialist policies in nationalistic guise. I think better summation would be: Hitler gained conservatives support by using right rhetoric for right people.

Isn't that what I watched Trump just do?

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28-11-2016, 03:07 PM
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(28-11-2016 02:57 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(28-11-2016 01:28 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  Edit: I'm not convinced that Hitler could be seen as leader of conservatives. True, he was traditional in regards to women place and art but at the same time he wanted Germany to became racial meritocracy with socialist policies in nationalistic guise. I think better summation would be: Hitler gained conservatives support by using right rhetoric for right people.

Isn't that what I watched Trump just do?

After re-reading what I wrote, above, and what you wrote here, Girly, the sarcastic part of my brain couldn't help but supply:

"Well, it's a good thing the USA doesn't have a history of white supremacy, imperialism, and disdain for those who are 'destroying society', now, isn't it?"

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