Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
28-11-2016, 03:17 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 03:07 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(28-11-2016 02:57 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Isn't that what I watched Trump just do?

After re-reading what I wrote, above, and what you wrote here, Girly, the sarcastic part of my brain couldn't help but supply:

"Well, it's a good thing the USA doesn't have a history of white supremacy, imperialism, and disdain for those who are 'destroying society', now, isn't it?"

Not their fault. Anterograde amnesia from too much methanol in the moonshine.

#sigh
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
28-11-2016, 03:17 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 02:51 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(28-11-2016 01:28 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  @RocketSurgeon

Germans were guilty of mass murder (so also racial violence) long before Shoah. Look on genocide of Herero.

If you're talking in context of Nazis then I would say that oppression still preempted elimination of professors, example being boycott of April 1, 1933 or Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service.

Edit: I'm not convinced that Hitler could be seen as leader of conservatives. True, he was traditional in regards to women place and art but at the same time he wanted Germany to became racial meritocracy with socialist policies in nationalistic guise. I think better summation would be: Hitler gained conservatives support by using right rhetoric for right people.

Most imperial nations did similar things, including England and the United States, in the 19th and early 20th centuries. I wasn't trying to suggest that Germany was innocent of imperialism with a strong racial basis, prior to 1933...


I didn't thought you absolved Germany of guilt I'm just pointing that racial violence and oppresion was predating silencing the academics*.

Quote: only that when we saw the rise of the fascists, it started with strong "Make Germany Great Again" rhetoric, and a popular backlash against the liberals (and any other sort of intellectual who doubted that such discriminatory policies were a good idea).


Such rhetoric was at least somewhat sensible back then - Germany indeed was great power which recently lost much of prestige and land. USA is not in the same situation, though you know it better than me.

But didn't silencing the intellectuals really start with Gleichschaltung? I don't have my books with me so I can't consult them.

Quote: You'll note that the Civil Service Law specifically targeted (aside from the racial thing) anyone who was a proponent of socialism.

Nothing surprising. Socialists weren't friends of Hitler regime.


*I think that such was the case, first oppression then silencing as part of said oppression.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Szuchow's post
28-11-2016, 03:19 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 02:57 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(28-11-2016 01:28 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  Edit: I'm not convinced that Hitler could be seen as leader of conservatives. True, he was traditional in regards to women place and art but at the same time he wanted Germany to became racial meritocracy with socialist policies in nationalistic guise. I think better summation would be: Hitler gained conservatives support by using right rhetoric for right people.

Isn't that what I watched Trump just do?
Don't know enough about USA politics to guess.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
28-11-2016, 03:27 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 03:17 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  But didn't silencing the intellectuals really start with Gleichschaltung?

Start? No. It ended with the Gleichschaltung. That was the final consummation of something that had been going on semi-officially for the previous couple of years.

I, too, am speaking from family stories told to me, rather than from my memory of books I read in college... but I know the Gleichschaltung was in 1935, and I believe that the pressure on academics and anyone who challenged Hitler's awesomeness was almost immediate.

Thankfully Trump has no such tendencies. Dodgy

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes RocketSurgeon76's post
28-11-2016, 03:42 PM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
@RocketSurgeon

It appears that you're right. Heidegger spoke about ending of academic freedom and anchoring universities in German nation in 1933 - https://books.google.de/books?id=unXu2Yg...cs&f=false

Wysłane z mojego 6045K przy użyciu Tapatalka

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Szuchow's post
29-11-2016, 04:41 AM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(28-11-2016 03:27 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(28-11-2016 03:17 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  But didn't silencing the intellectuals really start with Gleichschaltung?

Start? No. It ended with the Gleichschaltung. That was the final consummation of something that had been going on semi-officially for the previous couple of years.

I, too, am speaking from family stories told to me, rather than from my memory of books I read in college... but I know the Gleichschaltung was in 1935, and I believe that the pressure on academics and anyone who challenged Hitler's awesomeness was almost immediate.

Thankfully Trump has no such tendencies. Dodgy

Sorry to interrupt, just throwing in my 2c here.

Gleichschlatung was the successfull attempt of the Nazi party/government to get control over society as a whole by gaining control over any organisation which originally is not bound to the governemnt. Its basically equivalent with eliminating the separation of powers in governemnt and silencing any dissent (intellectual or not) from non-government organisations, and then/thus being able to control your population entirely by having control over their entire education and then control every aspect of their adult life as well (from youth all across adulthood).

Gleichschlatung was not so much an "event" but a process that was completed somehwere before the war, when noone was able or willing to voice dissent anymore.

Gleichschaltung was done by bringing "in line" these non-governmental organisations:
press
radio
workers unions
education system (universities, etc.)
boy scouts (or any other youth organisation)
etc.

Regarding separation of power:
It was also done by getting control over jurisdiction and by introducing the 1party system immediately after 1933. Freisler *spits out* and his likes are the result.

Ceterum censeo, religionem delendam esse
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 3 users Like Deesse23's post
29-11-2016, 04:48 AM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
@Deesse23

Thanks for your input.

Half of my knowledge I left at home Wink

On a side note Polish word for Gleichschaltung (ujednolicenie) perfectly show nature of such process.

Wysłane z mojego 6045K przy użyciu Tapatalka

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
29-11-2016, 05:08 AM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(29-11-2016 04:41 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Sorry to interrupt, just throwing in my 2c here.

Gleichschlatung was the successfull attempt of the Nazi party/government to get control over society as a whole by gaining control over any organisation which originally is not bound to the governemnt. Its basically equivalent with eliminating the separation of powers in governemnt and silencing any dissent (intellectual or not) from non-government organisations, and then/thus being able to control your population entirely by having control over their entire education and then control every aspect of their adult life as well (from youth all across adulthood).

Gleichschlatung was not so much an "event" but a process that was completed somehwere before the war, when noone was able or willing to voice dissent anymore.

Gleichschaltung was done by bringing "in line" these non-governmental organisations:
press
radio
workers unions
education system (universities, etc.)
boy scouts (or any other youth organisation)
etc.

Regarding separation of power:
It was also done by getting control over jurisdiction and by introducing the 1party system immediately after 1933. Freisler *spits out* and his likes are the result.


America already has the perfect tool in place to achieve this.

Christianity.

I'm trying to figure out how Trump's administration will go about making the first amendment to the Constitution totally irrelevant and useless.

Presumably by re-interpreting exactly what it means through the supreme court.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
29-11-2016, 05:17 AM
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
(29-11-2016 05:08 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  America already has the perfect tool in place to achieve this.

Christianity.

I'm trying to figure out how Trump's administration will go about making the first amendment to the Constitution totally irrelevant and useless.

Presumably by re-interpreting exactly what it means through the supreme court.

I doubt Christianity will be the tool. The main tool is nationalism, fear-mongering and promotion of rabid "patriotism". As well as castrating independent thought as much as possible. But pandering to Christianity will be a big part - give them their ten commandments in a court house or their "traditional marriage", and while they're off celebrating their victory over the forces of evil you can get away with murder.

We'll love you just the way you are
If you're perfect -- Alanis Morissette
(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 3 users Like morondog's post
29-11-2016, 05:40 AM (This post was last modified: 29-11-2016 05:45 AM by Deesse23.)
RE: Turning Point USA creates "Watchlist" website for "Liberal Professors"
I tend to agree more with Morondog than with Mathilda on this, though both of you seem to get the point. Christianity can and will play a part (if things are going to happen), but i dont see how its the biggest or major tool to achieve this. Its gonna be a substantial part though.

Its because the quote below, originally targeted at the US is exactly (in a nutshell) what made the NSDAP so successful in Germany, amongst a few other things.

Quote:The main tool is nationalism, fear-mongering and promotion of rabid "patriotism". As well as castrating independent thought as much as possible

Ceterum censeo, religionem delendam esse
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Deesse23's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: