Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
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01-12-2013, 09:43 AM
RE: Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
(01-12-2013 09:40 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:25 AM)Elesjei Wrote:  'Twas a joke, sire.

I was referring to the horrible misuse of terms that occurs, particularly in the media, where people don't even stick to the American definitions. I can forgive Americans for arguing over the merits of republics compared to democracies, since those are mutually exclusive terms in America, apparently. But, for example, when someone refers to people who support anti-firearms legislation as "socialists'', that I cannot forgive.

Actually, no again. We are a Democratic Republic, any American with a passing knowledge of history and/or politics knows that...and the Democrats and the Republicans were once the Democratic Republicans. They split, and splintered into the Demorcrats and the Whigs, which split into the Republicans...it's a messy thing, politics.

Could have fooled me

Feels like one super party with minor differences depending on how moderate you are.
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01-12-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
I want to go to a super party Sad

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01-12-2013, 09:48 AM
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(01-12-2013 09:45 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  I want to go to a super party Sad

Well....




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01-12-2013, 09:53 AM
RE: Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
(01-12-2013 09:40 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Actually, no again. We are a Democratic Republic, any American with a passing knowledge of history and/or politics knows that...

Actually yes, because in common speak 'democracy' is also used to refer to direct democracy, while a 'republic' employs elected representatives to vote on behalf of the electorate. There are two definitions of democracy and republic.

I only learned that after creating conflict on political discussion forums by using British definitions. Maybe political scientists don't use those other definitions, but average people certainly do.

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01-12-2013, 09:57 AM (This post was last modified: 01-12-2013 10:07 AM by Dark Light.)
RE: Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
Yes, a true democracy is extremely unlikely to be successful outside of a small village for local laws or something. Maybe a small tribe. A true democracy requires everyone to vote on every issue that ever arose. A representative democracy is almost always meant by the common word.

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01-12-2013, 10:04 AM
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Now, if I learned anything from the American political system...

I'm going to argue with you even though we're not disagreeing on any particulars!

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01-12-2013, 10:09 AM
RE: Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
(01-12-2013 10:04 AM)Elesjei Wrote:  Now, if I learned anything from the American political system...

I'm going to argue with you even though we're not disagreeing on any particulars!

No you aren't! Wait! Damn, I lost. I cede to the better man....but that means, I win! Consider

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01-12-2013, 11:25 AM
RE: Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
(01-12-2013 10:09 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 10:04 AM)Elesjei Wrote:  Now, if I learned anything from the American political system...

I'm going to argue with you even though we're not disagreeing on any particulars!

No you aren't! Wait! Damn, I lost. I cede to the better man....but that means, I win! Consider

Yes it is certainly interesting our political system. We (America) are the longest running constitutional democracy. But we are a very new country, with a very old way of governing.

Probably the biggest problem we face in my opinion is how our politicians are funded. If you are frustrated that 80% of America could want something, and yet it isn't even discussed by politicians, that would be because many politicians can accept unlimited amounts of money anonymously from Super PAC (A political action committee is the fundraising arm of an interest group). I'd say that the next biggest problem would have to be the fact that we don't have proportional representation. We have a winner takes all system in which the candidate with the greatest number of votes is the one who wins office. Keep in mind that if 4 candidates are running, the winning candidate might have only had 26% percent of the vote. (If I did my math right?).

Probably the third problem I would fix if I could would be the frequency of elections. All members of the House of the United States Congress in D.C. have to go up for reelection every 2 years. That means that not a second is wasted in campaigning. How can you concentrate on the country if you have to run every 2 years? Also though, we have over a 90% incumbency rate. Which means that over 90% of the people in office today, will be reelected next election.

Also, our elections require extensive preparation on the part of the voter, because in America the VOTER must register themselves, whereas in most countries the government does that. Also, our voting day is on Tuesday, when most people have to work. And they must also wait 6 hours of more to vote!
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01-12-2013, 01:15 PM
RE: Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
American political terminology for Europeans (with a minimum of editorializing or snark):

Libertarian -- Approximately what you guys call liberal. Also the name of a minor political party, thus the distinction between "Big L" and small l" libertarians. Also a favorite self label of various unconnected disgruntled crackpots.

Liberal -- Center left or centrist. Sometimes pretend to be socialist without calling themselves "socialist". Self called socialists in the USA (yes they really exist) usually do not like the label "liberal".

Conservative -- Anything from centrist to all the way over to right wing cloud cuckoo land. Sometimes pretend to be libertarian. Everyone right of center claims to be "conservative".

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01-12-2013, 04:29 PM
RE: Two Things That Annoy Seth About Atheist Culture
(01-12-2013 09:13 AM)Ryanshidyak Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 06:00 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  Liberals are enforcing PC language?

And what the fuck is a libertarian? I keep hearing that word. Is it a liberal with some kind of weird twist or something completely different ?

All I know about Murican politics is that Republicans are dicks and that Democrats are also dicks but not as much.


Libertarians are very, very different than a liberal. On the graph of the political spectrum at the far right end is a libertarian, at the far left is Marxist Lenninist. Libertarianism stands for the most limited form of government possible, taxing only enough for a military and maybe (depending on who you talk to) roads. The rest is supposed to be privately owned. You have no equivalent in Europe or in any other place as far as I know. Libertarian is as odd as M-L, but on the other side. Our liberals are a little like your labour party (if you're from the UK). Except not nearly as left. Here is the spectrum.

<M-L----Liberal--Center)----Conservative-Libertarian>

As you can see indicated by the number of dashes liberals in this country are much closer to the center than are their counterparts conservatives. And this follows suit to real life, where we have many many many libertarians than we have Marxists. I've never met a Marxist, I know tons of libertarians.

Hope this helps.

Yeah, thanks, it helps. But is very confusing in the same time. I don't know where would I put myself on that map. Consider

I think in US I would be considered almost a communist Sadcryface

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