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17-04-2014, 10:38 AM
Two things that i would like to understand
I have been very scared about christian teaching of hell. I never was a happy christian. I have desired with all my heart not to believe in hell, because I thought that even If I go to heaven maybe some of my friends and family will not be with me... and the idea that they would be suffering forever made me crazy.

I´m a bit tired of this and I would like to be more happy. I would like to find and explication about two apocalyptic things.

The first is the horsemans in Egypt and Japan, specially the first. I see very clearly the horse and the rider. I wanted this to be a fake but it was in the news of Egypt, so I don´t know what to think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQKOj9Sxkg

And the second is the apparitions of Fatima. The story is this: the virgin was seen by three children in 1917. She let the children saw the hell and said to them that in October 13th a lot of people would believe because a miracle. On that date a lot of people claimed to have seen the sun moving and changing the colours.

http://www.theholyrosary.org/fatimaapparitions

13th of May. This key date. On that day the virgin was seen by the children. In 1981 the pope was nearly killed on 13th of May. He thought it definitely was a prophecy of the virgin. It seems too coincidental to me.

On 13th was seen a meteor like a cross was seen in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAPsCCrAhzs


This surely is ridiculous for you, but I am a very low minded person.
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17-04-2014, 11:02 AM
RE: Two things that i would like to understand
Consider Hmm...

Superstition is NOT REALITY.

Superstition is FAKE FEAR... to make you fear stuff which IS NOT REAL.

That should be enough. Just keep repeating it until it soaks in. You'll be ok. Drinking Beverage

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17-04-2014, 11:09 AM
RE: Two things that i would like to understand
(17-04-2014 10:38 AM)sophonian Wrote:  I have been very scared about christian teaching of hell. I never was a happy christian. I have desired with all my heart not to believe in hell, because I thought that even If I go to heaven maybe some of my friends and family will not be with me... and the idea that they would be suffering forever made me crazy.

I´m a bit tired of this and I would like to be more happy. I would like to find and explication about two apocalyptic things.

The first is the horsemans in Egypt and Japan, specially the first. I see very clearly the horse and the rider. I wanted this to be a fake but it was in the news of Egypt, so I don´t know what to think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQKOj9Sxkg
Fourth Horseman in Egypt Debunked - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y69IWl29Rw


(17-04-2014 10:38 AM)sophonian Wrote:  And the second is the apparitions of Fatima. The story is this: the virgin was seen by three children in 1917. She let the children saw the hell and said to them that in October 13th a lot of people would believe because a miracle. On that date a lot of people claimed to have seen the sun moving and changing the colours.

http://www.theholyrosary.org/fatimaapparitions

13th of May. This key date. On that day the virgin was seen by the children. In 1981 the pope was nearly killed on 13th of May. He thought it definitely was a prophecy of the virgin. It seems too coincidental to me.
http://www.answers.com/topic/miracle-of-the-sun

(17-04-2014 10:38 AM)sophonian Wrote:  On 13th was seen a meteor like a cross was seen in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAPsCCrAhzs


This surely is ridiculous for you, but I am a very low minded person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

Have a look at the links, but don't just take my word for it, go look at the sources and decide for yourself.

The requirement of evidence to back your claim does not disappear because it hurts your feelings, reality does not care about your feefees.
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17-04-2014, 12:22 PM
RE: Two things that i would like to understand
If you're looking at being Christian and not believing in hell, you can totally do that. Rob Bell's book Love Wins sets up that scenario.

That being said, I don't see his viewpoint any more compelling than any other Christian viewpoint. It's a little less creepy, for sure, but not more compelling.

As for going ahead in the future, keep this in mind: no one has ever definitively proven that God even exists. Every "proof" requires you to assume he exists in the first place. There have been plenty of hoaxes throughout the ages and plenty of bad arguments. The next time you see a prophesy or something that seems really serious or scary, you're probably best assuming it's a hoax or a bad argument, and then calmly researching it. The Bible actually has a pretty poor track record on prophesy, despite the 100% success claim of fundamentalists.
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17-04-2014, 02:17 PM
RE: Two things that i would like to understand
(17-04-2014 10:38 AM)sophonian Wrote:  I have been very scared about christian teaching of hell. I never was a happy christian. I have desired with all my heart not to believe in hell, because I thought that even If I go to heaven maybe some of my friends and family will not be with me... and the idea that they would be suffering forever made me crazy.

I´m a bit tired of this and I would like to be more happy. I would like to find and explication about two apocalyptic things.

The first is the horsemans in Egypt and Japan, specially the first. I see very clearly the horse and the rider. I wanted this to be a fake but it was in the news of Egypt, so I don´t know what to think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQKOj9Sxkg

And the second is the apparitions of Fatima. The story is this: the virgin was seen by three children in 1917. She let the children saw the hell and said to them that in October 13th a lot of people would believe because a miracle. On that date a lot of people claimed to have seen the sun moving and changing the colours.

http://www.theholyrosary.org/fatimaapparitions

13th of May. This key date. On that day the virgin was seen by the children. In 1981 the pope was nearly killed on 13th of May. He thought it definitely was a prophecy of the virgin. It seems too coincidental to me.

On 13th was seen a meteor like a cross was seen in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAPsCCrAhzs


This surely is ridiculous for you, but I am a very low minded person.

1. Horseman: Most likely a camera anomaly caused by lights as seen in Blackhand's video.

2. Fatima: You got 70,00 people staring directly at the sun, i'm sure many had their vision messed up from that and thought they "saw" something.

3. Meteor: Apophenia like Blackhand said most likely. When we see something that looks familiar to us in something we recognize it in our subconscious. The sparkles around the meteor could be anything but because your used to seeing a cross and knowing what a cross looks like, when you see that your subconscious recognizes the shape of a cross though it may not be the actual case.

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17-04-2014, 02:24 PM
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(17-04-2014 10:38 AM)sophonian Wrote:  I have been very scared about christian teaching of hell. I never was a happy christian. I have desired with all my heart not to believe in hell, because I thought that even If I go to heaven maybe some of my friends and family will not be with me... and the idea that they would be suffering forever made me crazy.

I´m a bit tired of this and I would like to be more happy. I would like to find and explication about two apocalyptic things.

The first is the horsemans in Egypt and Japan, specially the first. I see very clearly the horse and the rider. I wanted this to be a fake but it was in the news of Egypt, so I don´t know what to think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQKOj9Sxkg

And the second is the apparitions of Fatima. The story is this: the virgin was seen by three children in 1917. She let the children saw the hell and said to them that in October 13th a lot of people would believe because a miracle. On that date a lot of people claimed to have seen the sun moving and changing the colours.

http://www.theholyrosary.org/fatimaapparitions

13th of May. This key date. On that day the virgin was seen by the children. In 1981 the pope was nearly killed on 13th of May. He thought it definitely was a prophecy of the virgin. It seems too coincidental to me.

On 13th was seen a meteor like a cross was seen in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAPsCCrAhzs


This surely is ridiculous for you, but I am a very low minded person.

Well, first of all don't call yourself "low minded". You just need to investigate everything that scares you. If you had an understanding of photography and lighting and how cameras can capture reflections from different angles you'd not be at all concerned by those images. Glare on a camera lens can create odd looking objects.

There have been thousands of May 13th's in the last several thousand years and on that day each year billions of events have taken place all over the world, from China to the USA, from small islands in the Pacific to Oslo Norway . Births, deaths, ships sinking, scientific discoveries and people falling in love. Attacks have happened on May 13th too and not just the Pope. Heck, former Vice President Richard Nixon was attacked on May 13th, 1958 in South America in retaliation for his cold war stance by an angry crowd. They almost overturned his car.

Meteors hit the earth daily. This is from the NASA website. " Every day about 100 tons of meteoroids -- fragments of dust and gravel and sometimes even big rocks – enter the Earth's atmosphere." You're bound to see meteors criss-cross in the sky from time to time. It doesn't mean anything, it's just happenstance.

My suggestion to you is to become curious about everything you see and learn about everything you can.

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20-04-2014, 01:13 AM
RE: Two things that i would like to understand
Sophonian baby, just calm down. Think clearly. Here's a question I'll ask you: Why on Earth would supernatural beings want to pass messages through children? Children are people who don't really understand reality. They are the least believable people. Why not pass your message through credible adults?

8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
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20-04-2014, 01:28 AM
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Quote:but it was in the news of Egypt

Because what's more trustworthy than Egyptian news, amirtie?

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