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06-08-2017, 12:29 PM (This post was last modified: 06-08-2017 12:56 PM by Deltabravo.)
UKIP's Nigel Farage is FBI "person of interest"
As a potential victim of Brexit, I have a deep loathing of big mouth Nigel Farage, the former UKIP leader in the European Parliament.

After Brexit, Farage stepped down, presumably feeling he had accomplished whatever mission he was on and then UKIP was wiped out in the last UK elections. The thing about Farage is that he has no political platform other than the UK leaving the EU.

I then wondered whether he was just some kind of agitator who had developed an anti-Europe rhetoric but had no real political purpose or agenda and I wondered whether he was being paid by someone to do this.

Then he turns up in the US supporting Donut Frump and I googled "is Nigel Farage a Russian agent" and this is what it came up with:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...and-russia

"Pressed on his meetings with Russian officials in the past, Farage initially denied having had any, but then acknowledged that he had met Alexander Yakovenko, the Russian ambassador to the UK, in 2013."

"The spokesman also declined to comment on whether Farage had received compensation from the Russian state-backed media group RT for his media appearances. RT, which has featured Farage about three times over the last 18 months, also declined to comment, citing confidentialiy...Farage has said he only met Assange once has but declined to say how long the two have known each other...The former Ukip leader has voiced his support for the Russian president, calling Vladimir Putin the leader he most admired, in a 2014 interview."

How very f.cking odd.
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06-08-2017, 01:10 PM
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Fact is that most of the European populous right is quite cozy with the Russians and Putin. The only exceptions being Wilders and the polish PIS, since they thrive on the Russian scare. All the other rightwingers quite openly associate with Russia. There's also strong rumors of Russian money being distributed to these parties. Quite understandably so since Putin would love for the EU breaking apart.

So, the Farage connection doesn't surprise me. He's just another one kissing Putin's ass.

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06-08-2017, 01:37 PM
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Makes sense in view of what has been going on. And the plot sickens....

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08-08-2017, 01:44 PM
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(06-08-2017 01:10 PM)abaris Wrote:  Fact is that most of the European populous right is quite cozy with the Russians and Putin. The only exceptions being Wilders and the polish PIS, since they thrive on the Russian scare. All the other rightwingers quite openly associate with Russia. There's also strong rumors of Russian money being distributed to these parties. Quite understandably so since Putin would love for the EU breaking apart.

So, the Farage connection doesn't surprise me. He's just another one kissing Putin's ass.

Interesting. I had no idea. I had thought that Russia was still mainly communist and could not this out, but it makes sense. They have invested hugely in a new cold war using cyber-technology and have now "picked off" two super power, or at least one real super power and one wannabe superpower, the UK. The Brexit vote is a huge problem now for the UK and has, in my view, paralyzed the country. The Conservative cabinet is deeply divided on staying in the single market. The opposition can't get to grips with it any better. The Irish are luring Northern Ireland to vote for reunion which they can vote on in the next couple of years,splitting up the UK. Scotland has a right to vote against many of the new pieces of replacement legislation for cancelled EU legislation and this would lead to a constitutional crisis. Then there's the banks which are now announcing moves to the continent or Europe, the removal of European banking and medical agencies from London, massive queues of Brits going on holiday at European airports. It's early on and it's a total shambles. Just like what's happening in the US. Talk about Russia/right winger nutjobs causing havoc. They've succeeded and now I read Trump has set up a news station using campaign donations. It's part of a developing propaganda exercise to try to further Trumpist authoritarianim. What a mess.
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08-08-2017, 02:42 PM
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Russia never was communist, it simply couldn't be as communism was never reached - jump from realm of necessity to one of freedom still waits to be done and proletariat is still alienated.

It can be said that USSR leaders tried* to achieve communism, but Brezhnev satisfied himself with "really existing socialism".

*Depends on how you view NEP and later Stalin and Khruschev policy. Though if I recall correctly Khruschev promised achieving communism.

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08-08-2017, 06:00 PM
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(06-08-2017 12:29 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  As a potential victim of Brexit, I have a deep loathing of big mouth Nigel Farage, the former UKIP leader in the European Parliament.

After Brexit, Farage stepped down, presumably feeling he had accomplished whatever mission he was on and then UKIP was wiped out in the last UK elections. The thing about Farage is that he has no political platform other than the UK leaving the EU.

I then wondered whether he was just some kind of agitator who had developed an anti-Europe rhetoric but had no real political purpose or agenda and I wondered whether he was being paid by someone to do this.

Then he turns up in the US supporting Donut Frump and I googled "is Nigel Farage a Russian agent" and this is what it came up with:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...and-russia

"Pressed on his meetings with Russian officials in the past, Farage initially denied having had any, but then acknowledged that he had met Alexander Yakovenko, the Russian ambassador to the UK, in 2013."

"The spokesman also declined to comment on whether Farage had received compensation from the Russian state-backed media group RT for his media appearances. RT, which has featured Farage about three times over the last 18 months, also declined to comment, citing confidentialiy...Farage has said he only met Assange once has but declined to say how long the two have known each other...The former Ukip leader has voiced his support for the Russian president, calling Vladimir Putin the leader he most admired, in a 2014 interview."

How very f.cking odd.

I don't think it odd at all. One of the oldest tools of statecraft is to sow dissension amongst your rivals, so that they fight each other -- or internally, as is happening in America thanks to a manipulated election -- while you go on about your business.

Has anyone heard what Russia's latest move in the Ukraine is? News here is oddly silent about it; they're focused on the Puppet-in-Chief and his latest bits of crazytalk.

That is how these things work when they're done right.
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08-08-2017, 07:39 PM
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(08-08-2017 06:00 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(06-08-2017 12:29 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  As a potential victim of Brexit, I have a deep loathing of big mouth Nigel Farage, the former UKIP leader in the European Parliament.

After Brexit, Farage stepped down, presumably feeling he had accomplished whatever mission he was on and then UKIP was wiped out in the last UK elections. The thing about Farage is that he has no political platform other than the UK leaving the EU.

I then wondered whether he was just some kind of agitator who had developed an anti-Europe rhetoric but had no real political purpose or agenda and I wondered whether he was being paid by someone to do this.

Then he turns up in the US supporting Donut Frump and I googled "is Nigel Farage a Russian agent" and this is what it came up with:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...and-russia

"Pressed on his meetings with Russian officials in the past, Farage initially denied having had any, but then acknowledged that he had met Alexander Yakovenko, the Russian ambassador to the UK, in 2013."

"The spokesman also declined to comment on whether Farage had received compensation from the Russian state-backed media group RT for his media appearances. RT, which has featured Farage about three times over the last 18 months, also declined to comment, citing confidentialiy...Farage has said he only met Assange once has but declined to say how long the two have known each other...The former Ukip leader has voiced his support for the Russian president, calling Vladimir Putin the leader he most admired, in a 2014 interview."

How very f.cking odd.

I don't think it odd at all. One of the oldest tools of statecraft is to sow dissension amongst your rivals, so that they fight each other -- or internally, as is happening in America thanks to a manipulated election -- while you go on about your business.

Has anyone heard what Russia's latest move in the Ukraine is? News here is oddly silent about it; they're focused on the Puppet-in-Chief and his latest bits of crazytalk.

That is how these things work when they're done right.


You're right of course. It's just so bizarre to see this sort of thing play out. The odd thing for me is that I had the idea that he might be a Russian agent and then I find that he's a Putin fan and has been on the FBI radar in relation to Russia. To me, it makes perfect sense that he's in the pocket of the Russians and has helped the Trump campaign.

What seems to be a recurring theme in this is that these are people, Trump, Farage, who have failed somehow in their own ambitions. Trump failed spectacularly at business while Farage didn't get ahead in the Conservative Party in the UK. I know next to nothing about his personal life so I can't much further. His father was an alcoholic who abandoned the family when Nigel was 5 and he's of German, Huguenot descent, married to a foreigner. In the UK, that's a social disaster, if you have aspirations and Nigel comes across as a real "climber", so maybe all that got to him.

He's just such an arrogant prick. He looks like a character off the Simpsons. His lips almost flap when he speaks and he is truly revolting to listen to. A lot like Trump.

Trump reminds me of a character out of a book by Evelyn Waugh, called "Decline and Fall" which was made into a mini-series recently. The protagonist goes to jail and meets someone who has real psychopathic tendencies, going around telling other inmates he's going to do something horrible to them. The prison priest hears him talking about using a saw and thinks the guy can be rehabilitated if he's given some tools to do woodwork. So, the guy uses the saw he is given to saw off the priests head.

With Trump, you have a guy who has risen to fame on the back of a book in which he admits to being a con artist who uses hyperbole to essentially bullshit and rob people. People hear this guy talk and think he's great so they elect him and he uses the power they give him to screw over the whole country.
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08-08-2017, 09:36 PM
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Well, yeah. Americans have lost their way, largely. We've abandoned hard work and straight shooting for the easy lawsuit. Trump, Milken, Gordon Gecko, they're all of the same patina -- where you're going is what matters, and who you step on is irrelevant.

There's some study about businessmen and sociopathy I read a couple of years ago. No doubt Dear Leader has a touch of it himself.
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08-08-2017, 11:47 PM
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(08-08-2017 09:36 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Well, yeah. Americans have lost their way, largely. We've abandoned hard work and straight shooting for the easy lawsuit. Trump, Milken, Gordon Gecko, they're all of the same patina -- where you're going is what matters, and who you step on is irrelevant.

There's some study about businessmen and sociopathy I read a couple of years ago. No doubt Dear Leader has a touch of it himself.

I recall a news article some time ago about businesses being psychotic. It may have been this one: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our...-psychotic

"If corporations are indeed "persons," their mental condition can accurately be described as pathological. Corporations have no innate moral impulses, and in fact they exist solely for the purpose of making money. As such, these "persons" are systemically driven to do whatever is necessary to increase revenues and profits, with no regard for ethical issues that might nag real people."

Trump is certainly a sociopath. He has no regard for anyone but himself and has contempt for the "stupid" people who voted for him who he says make him look smart.

This is my favorite Farage video:



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16-09-2017, 12:07 PM
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I subscribe to the Youtube channel of James O'Brien, who provides about the best analysis of UK politics one can find.

He interviewed Nigel Farange a couple of years ago and made headlines by demolishing him to such an extent that UKIP's press secretary tried to stop the interview on air.

Here's the link: http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ja...om-1130-9/

I'm coming more and more to the view that Nigel Farage is very much like the alt-right types who are being promoted by Putin. He seems to have no ability to see how ridiculous he is and all he does is foment division and hate. I can't figure out why anyone would do this so brazenly and with no introspection. He appears to me to feel he is succeeding by creating division, regardless of how stupid he looks. i do wonder whether that is his goal, rather than trying to get his policies, such as they are, adopted.

The interview is amusing because at three levels he shows his racism. First, he tries to worm his way out of the problem that one of his local politicians has said something outrageously racist, by saying he is more interested in principles. But, he co-chairs a European group of Neo-Nazis called the Northern League. Then he says he feels uncomfortable hearing people talk in foreign languages, when his own wife and kids are German speakers.

I wish all journalists were as good at showing people like Farage up for what they are.
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