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24-06-2013, 07:38 PM
US Military Officer
Hello everyone out there,

I'm a little new to this whole forum thing, and I've never been one for posting my feelings, opinions, or thoughts on the internet in general. I am an officer in the United States Army and recently returned from a tour in Afghanistan. I'm 24 years old and have been a confirmed atheist for only about 3 months, but have been reading and agreeing with atheist literature and outspoken atheists (Hitchens, Dawkins, NDT, Sagan, etc.) for several years. It took a long time for me to finally drop the leash that my family had indoctrinated onto me over 20 years (strict conservative presbyterian). I guess the point where i totally lost the faith was when one of my soldiers was killed by a roadside bomb on our very last mission. He was a born leader and one of the greatest assets to our military. It was at this point that i started getting belligerent to my friends and family who said things like "we thank God you got home safe" or "we're keeping you in our prayers" or "God answered our prayers because you didn't get hurt". My immediate mental process was to yell "Why were your prayers for me anymore important than the prayers people were saying for my soldier? What made me so special that I got to live?" There is no way a loving God could have let this happen to such a wonderful individual. My wife of two years was raised a Lutheran, but considers herself more of a Deist/Evolutionary Theist (believes a creator started evolution). I consider myself on the fence between completely noninterventionist deism and atheism (but I'm most definitely anti-theist). Sometimes my wife and I will get into arguments over my cynicism toward religion, mainly because she still enjoys the traditions and rituals of her Lutheran upbringing. I love her more than anything, and realize that sometimes it's on me to live and let live instead of constantly being angry at my own indoctrination and taking it out on her. I hope someday to speak with Seth on his show, as he has been one of my inspirations and supports as I've gone through my deconversion. It is always good to know I'm not alone.

-Jay

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24-06-2013, 07:44 PM
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(24-06-2013 07:38 PM)TheAgeOfReason Wrote:  Hello everyone out there,

I'm a little new to this whole forum thing, and I've never been one for posting my feelings, opinions, or thoughts on the internet in general. I am an officer in the United States Army and recently returned from a tour in Afghanistan. I'm 24 years old and have been a confirmed atheist for only about 3 months, but have been reading and agreeing with atheist literature and outspoken atheists (Hitchens, Dawkins, NDT, Sagan, etc.) for several years. It took a long time for me to finally drop the leash that my family had indoctrinated onto me over 20 years (strict conservative presbyterian). I guess the point where i totally lost the faith was when one of my soldiers was killed by a roadside bomb on our very last mission. He was a born leader and one of the greatest assets to our military. It was at this point that i started getting belligerent to my friends and family who said things like "we thank God you got home safe" or "we're keeping you in our prayers" or "God answered our prayers because you didn't get hurt". My immediate mental process was to yell "Why were your prayers for me anymore important than the prayers people were saying for my soldier? What made me so special that I got to live?" There is no way a loving God could have let this happen to such a wonderful individual. My wife of two years was raised a Lutheran, but considers herself more of a Deist/Evolutionary Theist (believes a creator started evolution). I consider myself on the fence between completely noninterventionist deism and atheism (but I'm most definitely anti-theist). Sometimes my wife and I will get into arguments over my cynicism toward religion, mainly because she still enjoys the traditions and rituals of her Lutheran upbringing. I love her more than anything, and realize that sometimes it's on me to live and let live instead of constantly being angry at my own indoctrination and taking it out on her. I hope someday to speak with Seth on his show, as he has been one of my inspirations and supports as I've gone through my deconversion. It is always good to know I'm not alone.

-Jay

Welcome to the forum.

Your anger is understandable and honest. Time will likely temper it, make it a sharper, more effective tool.
As yet, it's likely more of a Claymore.Consider

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24-06-2013, 07:54 PM
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That's what I'd be looking for from my Platoon Leader. Thumbsup

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24-06-2013, 07:58 PM
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Greetings, Sir.
and Welcome to TTA, Jay Smile

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24-06-2013, 08:20 PM
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Welcome to the forums. Have to admit I'm always surprised to see military on here. Smile A good surprise.

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24-06-2013, 09:24 PM
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Maybe there's a glimmer of hope for you Army JO's after all. Wink Welcome.

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24-06-2013, 09:52 PM
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Hi Jay.

Welcome!
Just wanted to let you know there are quite a few of us HAPPILY married to believers. And your post hits the nail on the head. It really is the key. Live and let live-don't take your anger out on those you love.


(24-06-2013 07:38 PM)TheAgeOfReason Wrote:  I love her more than anything, and realize that sometimes it's on me to live and let live instead of constantly being angry at my own indoctrination and taking it out on her.

-Jay

Have you listened to the latest podcast- its about living with a believer. great episode.

I look forward to reading more of your posts.


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25-06-2013, 11:35 AM
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Welcome in the community ! An US military officer who is Atheist. I can't imagine how this situation must be boring with all these preachers.

What is your speciality (Demo ,Sniper , Rifleman , etc...) ?
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25-06-2013, 11:38 AM
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Welcome aboard!

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25-06-2013, 12:18 PM
RE: US Military Officer
(24-06-2013 07:38 PM)TheAgeOfReason Wrote:  Hello everyone out there,

I'm a little new to this whole forum thing, and I've never been one for posting my feelings, opinions, or thoughts on the internet in general. I am an officer in the United States Army and recently returned from a tour in Afghanistan. I'm 24 years old and have been a confirmed atheist for only about 3 months, but have been reading and agreeing with atheist literature and outspoken atheists (Hitchens, Dawkins, NDT, Sagan, etc.) for several years. It took a long time for me to finally drop the leash that my family had indoctrinated onto me over 20 years (strict conservative presbyterian). I guess the point where i totally lost the faith was when one of my soldiers was killed by a roadside bomb on our very last mission. He was a born leader and one of the greatest assets to our military. It was at this point that i started getting belligerent to my friends and family who said things like "we thank God you got home safe" or "we're keeping you in our prayers" or "God answered our prayers because you didn't get hurt". My immediate mental process was to yell "Why were your prayers for me anymore important than the prayers people were saying for my soldier? What made me so special that I got to live?" There is no way a loving God could have let this happen to such a wonderful individual. My wife of two years was raised a Lutheran, but considers herself more of a Deist/Evolutionary Theist (believes a creator started evolution). I consider myself on the fence between completely noninterventionist deism and atheism (but I'm most definitely anti-theist). Sometimes my wife and I will get into arguments over my cynicism toward religion, mainly because she still enjoys the traditions and rituals of her Lutheran upbringing. I love her more than anything, and realize that sometimes it's on me to live and let live instead of constantly being angry at my own indoctrination and taking it out on her. I hope someday to speak with Seth on his show, as he has been one of my inspirations and supports as I've gone through my deconversion. It is always good to know I'm not alone.

-Jay

Welcome, and good to see you here.

My husband was career military, and he deconverted while in the service. Both his sons also deconverted while in the military. So I assume it's not that rare, it's just not talked about.

I totally get your anger at all the religious remarks about your survival - what brought me here is all the religious dribble I had to listen to when my husband died.

It will get better. You'll find the folks here very understanding, many have been through similar things. They also have a crazy sense of humor, I hope you'll enjoy it. It grows on you.

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