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14-04-2017, 08:12 AM
US pharma firms in legal battle against their drugs being used in executions
After European Pharma retreated from delivering drugs to the US that could be used in executions, it seems US pharma also wakes up to the fact that it's bad PR when their drugs are used to kills instead of heal people.

Quote:Fresenius Kabi USA and West-Ward Pharmaceuticals have called for a US judge to prevent Arkansas from using their drugs to execute seven inmates before the end of the month.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/14/pharmaceut...s-6574428/

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14-04-2017, 08:49 AM
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A rope is cheaper, does the job just as well, and can be used over and over......

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14-04-2017, 09:37 AM
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So they don't want their products to kill people intentionally, but unintentionally is just fine.
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14-04-2017, 09:47 AM
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(14-04-2017 08:49 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  A rope is cheaper, does the job just as well, and can be used over and over......

No, the rope cannot be used over and over. Pieces of flesh get imbeded in the rope when hanging someone. For hygene reason (you don't want it to smell) you have to replace the for every execution. Plus, leathal injection and hanging are a bit barbaric. Why don't you just use a guillotine. Its cheap and extraordinarly efficient and painless (the famous 6 second of life is actualy a myth due to post mortem spasm of the eye)?

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14-04-2017, 10:11 AM (This post was last modified: 14-04-2017 10:24 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: US pharma firms in legal battle against their drugs being used in executions
(14-04-2017 08:12 AM)abaris Wrote:  After European Pharma retreated from delivering drugs to the US that could be used in executions, it seems US pharma also wakes up to the fact that it's bad PR when their drugs are used to kills instead of heal people.

Quote:Fresenius Kabi USA and West-Ward Pharmaceuticals have called for a US judge to prevent Arkansas from using their drugs to execute seven inmates before the end of the month.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/14/pharmaceut...s-6574428/

Ha! I'd argue this on the Hobby Lobby "can't in good conscious" precedent. The idiots not only can't anticipate the obvious unintended consequences of their legislative actions they don't even understand the concept of unintended consequences in the first place. I fucking love it. "But we didn't mean tax money could go to madrasas." Now I know what that "schadenfreude" word you all been using means. Big Grin

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14-04-2017, 10:13 AM (This post was last modified: 14-04-2017 10:21 AM by Rockblossom.)
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(14-04-2017 09:37 AM)pablo Wrote:  So they don't want their products to kill people intentionally, but unintentionally is just fine.
I think they might be fine with it killing people intentionally, but it actually doesn't "work as prescribed" in the literature.
Midazolam, which is supposedly used to "sedate" the prisoner, does not actually stop pain. In surgery patients, it creates a kind of amnesia that keeps the patients from remembering the pain later, which seems rather pointless in the case of an execution.
Part 2 of the 3-part cocktail, vecuronium bromide, is a paralytic drug, not a "muscle relaxer" as advertised. Among the muscles it paralyzes is the heart and the ones operating the lungs. The third part of the cocktail, potassium chloride, finishes the job.
So: The first ingredient does nothing to block pain, the second paralyzes the prisoner while they gasp for air and their heart starts to fail, and the third sends searing pain through their veins as they die - hopefully sooner rather than later. And all of this has been approved by the Supreme Court as a "humane" way to execute prisoners.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business...66039.html

A firing squad or just attaching a big needle and draining their blood would be a lot more humane, but we can't let witnesses see any blood! The drug cocktail gives the appearance of being painless, and the prisoner is never around afterwards to say otherwise.
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14-04-2017, 10:17 AM (This post was last modified: 14-04-2017 12:35 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(14-04-2017 10:13 AM)Rockblossom Wrote:  
(14-04-2017 09:37 AM)pablo Wrote:  So they don't want their products to kill people intentionally, but unintentionally is just fine.
I think they might be fine with it killing people intentionally, but it actually doesn't "work as prescribed" in the literature.
Midazolam, which is supposedly used to "sedate" the prisoner, does not actually stop pain. In surgery patients, it creates a kind of amnesia that keeps the patients from remembering the pain later, which seems rather pointless in the case of an execution.
Part 2 of the 3-part cocktail, vecuronium bromide, is a paralytic drug, not a "muscle relaxer" as advertised. Among the muscles it paralyzes is the heart and the ones operating the lungs. The third part of the cocktail, potassium chloride, finishes the job.
So: The first ingredient does nothing to block pain, the second paralyzes the the prisoner while they gasp for air and their heart starts to fail, and the third sends searing pain through their veins as they die - hopefully sooner rather than later. And all of this has been approved by the Supreme Court as a "humane" way to execute prisoners.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business...66039.html

A firing squad or just attaching a big needle and draining their blood would be a lot more humane, but we can't let witnesses see any blood! The drug cocktail gives the appearance of being painless, and the prisoner is never around afterwards to say otherwise.

So you lock them in for a few minutes just for the hell of it before you kill them. Yeah, that's pretty barbaric. Only way to make it worse would be to stare them in the eye and laugh at them while they wait for the KCl. Should just give them propofol first. It's cheap and readily available and I know from personal experience it would work just fine. "99, 98, 9..." Hell give 'em ketamine like we do dogs. Probably because it's too humane and they don't deserve it is the only reason I can think of.

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14-04-2017, 12:34 PM
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(14-04-2017 09:47 AM)epronovost Wrote:  
(14-04-2017 08:49 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  A rope is cheaper, does the job just as well, and can be used over and over......

No, the rope cannot be used over and over. Pieces of flesh get imbeded in the rope when hanging someone. For hygene reason (you don't want it to smell) you have to replace the for every execution. Plus, leathal injection and hanging are a bit barbaric. Why don't you just use a guillotine. Its cheap and extraordinarly efficient and painless (the famous 6 second of life is actualy a myth due to post mortem spasm of the eye)?

Hygene in hanging????

Pfffftt....

Who gives a shit if it smells???

I guarantee you that once the trap door drops, there won't be any more complaining....

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14-04-2017, 12:36 PM
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(14-04-2017 10:13 AM)Rockblossom Wrote:  
(14-04-2017 09:37 AM)pablo Wrote:  So they don't want their products to kill people intentionally, but unintentionally is just fine.
I think they might be fine with it killing people intentionally, but it actually doesn't "work as prescribed" in the literature.
Midazolam, which is supposedly used to "sedate" the prisoner, does not actually stop pain. In surgery patients, it creates a kind of amnesia that keeps the patients from remembering the pain later, which seems rather pointless in the case of an execution.
Part 2 of the 3-part cocktail, vecuronium bromide, is a paralytic drug, not a "muscle relaxer" as advertised. Among the muscles it paralyzes is the heart and the ones operating the lungs. The third part of the cocktail, potassium chloride, finishes the job.
So: The first ingredient does nothing to block pain, the second paralyzes the prisoner while they gasp for air and their heart starts to fail, and the third sends searing pain through their veins as they die - hopefully sooner rather than later. And all of this has been approved by the Supreme Court as a "humane" way to execute prisoners.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business...66039.html

A firing squad or just attaching a big needle and draining their blood would be a lot more humane, but we can't let witnesses see any blood! The drug cocktail gives the appearance of being painless, and the prisoner is never around afterwards to say otherwise.

The most humane would be a hyperbaric chamber.

Simply put them in a sealed tank and suck the air out.

Totally painless.

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14-04-2017, 12:39 PM
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(14-04-2017 12:36 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  The most humane would be a hyperbaric chamber.

Simply put them in a sealed tank and suck the air out.

Totally painless.

Nah. Nitrogen gas. Couple breaths and you're out and the body don't even know what's going on. No unpleasant reactions. They say helium too because it's also inert but nitrogen makes more sense to me because we're so used to so much of it already.

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