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03-07-2014, 12:24 AM
RE: Uhm... what?
(02-07-2014 09:06 PM)OddGamer Wrote:  So I'm debating things elsewhere <whistles innocently> and came across a phrase in a counter to me.

"The phrase, 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof/evidence,' suggests the contiguity of metaphysical essentialism."

Up until this point I understood every word the other person was saying. Then my brain melted. I tried to look up the individual terms, the phrase as a whole, but I can't make heads nor tails of what the heck this is supposed to mean, or why it is "fallacious reasoning because no human organism or even a super computer can truly decipher this or even describe it".

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Incidentally, I half suspect the person who used it (who repeated it twice without explanation both times) is copy/pasting the phrase he read/heard somewhere else without understanding it himself. Still, if it's right... I'd like to know.

I can't help much with this, but I can firmly and unequivocally declare this to be pure, unadulterated Philosobull.
This is the sort of stuff why I can't care for a lot of philosophy; many users tend to rely on overwhelming bullshittery instead of using straightforward language....

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03-07-2014, 08:36 AM
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Thanks for all of your help here. Finally got a response from him. He claims:
"this means that you are assuming something is the way it is just because you perceive it as it is"
I wasn't certain if he meant that 'the stuff in the bible is extraordinary' is the problem, that 'what constitutes extraordinary evidence' is the problem (I gave some examples earlier in the discussion), or if the definition of 'evidence' is the problem. ... Still waiting on a response to that. Smile
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03-07-2014, 10:11 AM
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Yeah, he's trying to bullshit his way out of the corner he's in with a bluff that he supposedly" knows more about philosophy than you do".


Disingenuous as fuck, that one. Typical...

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03-07-2014, 06:34 PM
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Bayes' theorem can be understood as a formal version of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes'_theorem

In a simple form it is P(A|B) = (P(B|A)xP(A))/P(B).
The probability of A being true given a result B is equal to the probability of the result B being true if A is also true, times the baseline probability of A, all divided by the baseline probability of B.

The beauty of Bayes and related forms of reasoning is that any absolute kind of absolute knowledge is unnecessary. Instead you can assess new data as it comes in based on a previous baseline probability estimate. You can start at a given value then assess each piece of knowledge or experience you have had in your life to come up with an updated estimate.

The downside of this form of reasoning is that it can be affected by bias. For example, you might be biased to assign false values to P(B|A) and P(B) based on your assumption that a god does or does not exist. If you have a bad baseline probability alone you should eventually still come to a reasonable conclusion, but if your biases are causing you to guess poorly at the probability of new events with and without the baseline assumption being true then you can still get stuck in the wrong box.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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04-07-2014, 11:25 AM
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(03-07-2014 06:34 PM)Hafnof Wrote:  Bayes' theorem can be understood as a formal version of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes'_theorem

In a simple form it is P(A|B) = (P(B|A)xP(A))/P(B).
The probability of A being true given a result B is equal to the probability of the result B being true if A is also true, times the baseline probability of A, all divided by the baseline probability of B.

The beauty of Bayes and related forms of reasoning is that any absolute kind of absolute knowledge is unnecessary. Instead you can assess new data as it comes in based on a previous baseline probability estimate. You can start at a given value then assess each piece of knowledge or experience you have had in your life to come up with an updated estimate.

The downside of this form of reasoning is that it can be affected by bias. For example, you might be biased to assign false values to P(B|A) and P(B) based on your assumption that a god does or does not exist. If you have a bad baseline probability alone you should eventually still come to a reasonable conclusion, but if your biases are causing you to guess poorly at the probability of new events with and without the baseline assumption being true then you can still get stuck in the wrong box.

Bayes theorem is great, but I think it would be incorrect to use it when you are talking about plausibility as opposed to probability. Many times in an argument you are asserting not the probability of A, but the factual nature of A, along with some contingent statement in form of "If A, then B". The probability of B is unknown, and not even relevant. You are trying to come to a conclusion about the "plausibility" of B, aka do we think it's even true?
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08-07-2014, 01:56 AM (This post was last modified: 08-07-2014 02:07 AM by Luminon.)
RE: Uhm... what?
(02-07-2014 09:06 PM)OddGamer Wrote:  So I'm debating things elsewhere <whistles innocently> and came across a phrase in a counter to me.

"The phrase, 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof/evidence,' suggests the contiguity of metaphysical essentialism."

Up until this point I understood every word the other person was saying. Then my brain melted. I tried to look up the individual terms, the phrase as a whole, but I can't make heads nor tails of what the heck this is supposed to mean, or why it is "fallacious reasoning because no human organism or even a super computer can truly decipher this or even describe it".

Sadcryface

I admit I'm a philosophy noob.

Incidentally, I half suspect the person who used it (who repeated it twice without explanation both times) is copy/pasting the phrase he read/heard somewhere else without understanding it himself. Still, if it's right... I'd like to know.
What the hell is "contiguity"? Continuity misspelled? I see, it's a real word. But the whole phrase has little meaning in itself. It might mean something like "there is a way to get to know what we don't know yet, because the known and unknown is fundamentally the same kind of stuff at some deep level."
So what? That's true, but not an argument, unless you were really dogmatic and absolute about something, which you were not, if you maintained normal, healthy skepticism.

Yes, it's true that no super-computer can decipher it. Basically, because a supercomputer is a closed system, it creates a simulated, virtual world in itself, that is reasonably secure from glitches of physics, such as EM wave interference with computing.

But that is NOT true of a human being!!! The human being is one of the greatest mysteries of philosophy and science, to this day we do not know where are the human limits, because we are constantly pushing them forward. It is a philosophical necessity of epistemology, that a human being is connected to the whole of reality and potentially able to contact and know it. Otherwise what we can not contact mentally, is so unimaginable, that we would never ever think of it. Not really, not as a properly defined, objective concept. Anything that we can define as a proper concept, we can potentially prove or disprove. That is, to determine real circumstances under which a test would be done. Most of the time the test is pretty simple - a check of internal consistency and consistency with the rest of the world. 99 % of bullshit can be rejected that way in a few seconds.
FYI, a proper, objective concept has a semantic triangle - the sound, the idea, and the real thing or aspect of reality, which makes sure everyone imagines the same thing when they hear the same word. Things that aren't defined with a semantic triangle, you can simply ignore, they aren't obligatory. Yet calling things their right names is one of the most difficult things in human life and civilization. You can be patient if someone struggles to put something real into words.

Yes, a human brain is a computer, but that guy has no idea what a computer truly is. A computer is a logically ordered matter that simulates aspects of reality inside. By that definition, even our visible material universe may be a "simulated reality" - of course with real energy used in the process! Only less of the energy than the higher order simulating reality uses. All manifest universe is on an energy budget due to the law of energy preservation - and that includes even more limited artificial universes that we manifest as computer simulations.

So kick him in the ass for lying to you about the human and computer nature! Assuming that the "contiguity" stuff wasn't just a babble to confuse you, in which case kick him in the balls.
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08-07-2014, 02:07 AM
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(08-07-2014 01:56 AM)Luminon Wrote:  
(02-07-2014 09:06 PM)OddGamer Wrote:  So I'm debating things elsewhere <whistles innocently> and came across a phrase in a counter to me.

"The phrase, 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof/evidence,' suggests the contiguity of metaphysical essentialism."

Up until this point I understood every word the other person was saying. Then my brain melted. I tried to look up the individual terms, the phrase as a whole, but I can't make heads nor tails of what the heck this is supposed to mean, or why it is "fallacious reasoning because no human organism or even a super computer can truly decipher this or even describe it".

Sadcryface

I admit I'm a philosophy noob.

Incidentally, I half suspect the person who used it (who repeated it twice without explanation both times) is copy/pasting the phrase he read/heard somewhere else without understanding it himself. Still, if it's right... I'd like to know.
What the hell is "contiguity"? Continuity misspelled? I see, it's a real word. But the whole phrase has little meaning in itself. It might mean something like "there is a way to get to know what we don't know yet, because the known and unknown is fundamentally the same kind of stuff at some deep level."
So what? That's true, but not an argument, unless you were really dogmatic and absolute about something, which you were not, if you maintained normal, healthy skepticism.

Yes, it's true that no super-computer can decipher it. Basically, because a supercomputer is a closed system, it creates a simulated, virtual world in itself, that is reasonably secure from glitches of physics, such as EM wave interference with computing.

But that is NOT true of a human being!!! The human being is one of the greatest mysteries of philosophy and science, to this day we do not know where are the human limits, because we are constantly pushing them forward. It is a philosophical necessity of epistemology, that a human being is connected to the whole of reality and potentially able to contact and know it. Otherwise what we can not contact mentally, is so unimaginable, that we would never ever think of it. Not really, not as a properly defined, objective concept. Anything that we can define as a proper concept, we can potentially prove or disprove. That is, to determine real circumstances under which a test would be done. Most of the time the test is pretty simple - a check of internal consistency and consistency with the rest of the world. 99 % of bullshit can be rejected that way in a few seconds.
FYI, a proper, objective concept has a semantic triangle - the sound, the idea, and the real thing or aspect of reality, which makes sure everyone imagines the same thing when they hear the same word. Things that aren't defined with a semantic triangle, you can simply ignore, they aren't obligatory. Yet calling things their right names is one of the most difficult things in human life and civilization. You can be patient if someone struggles to put something real into words.

Yes, a human brain is a computer, but that guy has no idea what a computer truly is. A computer is a logically ordered matter that simulates aspects of reality inside. By that definition, even our visible material universe may be a "simulated reality" - of course with real energy used in the process! Only less of the energy than the higher order simulating reality uses. All manifest universe is on an energy budget due to the law of energy preservation - and that includes even more limited artificial universes that we manifest as computer simulations.

So kick him in the ass for lying to you about the human and computer nature!


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5th, only constructive working men have built all civilization & everything good that's in it! Intolerant parasites, in order to eat, must dominate-dic1ate-distort-dilute-destroy- smear-slay-slander-cheat or they won't eat! Exceptions eternally? Absolute none!

8th: The mark of the mature man is his ability to work brave, teaching all, every slave, how to replace coal-oil-gas-mineral-nuclear, unemployed-inflation, welfare-waste-war with Essene Birth-Control for very girl, Swiss 6000 year Universal Military Training UMT for full- employment, raising 1 trillion Israel-system trees, 2 million Dutch dikes, 3 Greek mirror- solars, 4 Hannibal windpower plants, 5 billion Amish-Amway-AT&T profitsharing jobs, 6 Milorganite plants, 76 million Planetemples teaching All-One-God-Faith, Austrian music, Babylon roof-gardens, California rain forests, China-bikes, Cartha-UMT, Catspaw sandals, compost tree, C02 bomber, the Moral ABC, cattle-lemon-Esperanto. Finn-jails, gasohol, German solar-Zeppelins, Health-meat-salt-soap-tape, jojoba-aloevera-chia-ginseng-garlic, Kibbutz, Nature Friends, patents, Swiss economy, Town-Without-Toothache, Patrick Henry teaches PHt's of USA-USSR H20 cwp, with 76 million battery-banks, powering every car-factory-farm-home-Milorganite-monorail! To teach healthy Hunza 150-year great life by God's Law, timing-teamwork-wisdom-power-mercy-love, uniting All-One above! Above! Know 41-4. Only hard work unites all! Scrolls: $10 for 10; $3 for 1, help unite all!

12th: Over-population destroys God's spaceship Earth, unless Essene-Chinese controls limit all birth! Instead, absolute clean, apply vaseline-oil-butter or cream, insert teaspoon juicy lemon pulp, pH2, God's Law prevents conception 100% below pH3. Next day douche with qt. soapy water, pH8, restoring pH5 balance God-made! Who else but God gave man this sensuous passion. Love that can spark mere dust to life! Beauty in our Eternal Father's fashion! Poetry, uniting All-One, brave, all life! Who else but God can make Love last 1 trillion years of sweet eternities! For when conquered after years of toil- sweat-blood, Love can strike like greased lightning sent by God to spark mere dust to intense blazing fire & create new Love-faith-hope-guts-strength, as only God inspire! Unite the Human race in All-One-God-Faith, as all mankind desire! Who else but God. "An Army of Principles," wrote Thos. Paine in 1799 "can penetrate when an army of soldiers" can-not! It will succeed where diplomacy may fail? It will always construct & help unite One-God-Faith, where every other weapon divides the Human race! The onslaught of such an Army of Principles cannot be stopped by the Rhine, the Channel or the ocean! It's progress will match on the horizon of the world & it will conquer every tyranny, every Human heart by teaching every man the Moral ABC of the Free: Free to communicate-cooperate-construct! Free to build, protect & share! Free to grow, develop & expand! Free to unite in love, cherish & enjoy the Kingdom, the dictatorship of God's law, uniting the whole Human race in our Eternal Father's great All-One-God-Faith! For we're All-One or none: Listen Children Eternal Father Eternally One!"

American democratic President Wilson, 1917, replaced Marxism by Lenin. "We are not a nation of classes, races, minority or pressure groups! Anybody trading on our race, color, nationality or religion is not yet American, does not yet deserve to enjoy the liberties of the Stars & Stripes! He does not yet know, that the Army of Principles by America's Founding Father, the world's 1st steelbridqe-builder, Thos. Paine, since 1799, unites the whole Human race in our Eternal Father's great All-One-God-Faith! Once we teach it, 6 billion strong, we're All-One! "As teach Abraham-Israel-Moses- Buddha-Jesus & Mohammed, inspired every 76 yrs. by the messenger of God's law, the Messiah, Halley's Comet! 6000 yrs. since the year One! We're All-One! All-One!

In '68 American Mao professor Marcuse upset Moscow's Czech power till Moscow's Press had the courage to confess: "Marx is god! Marcuse his prophet! Mao his sword! 50,000 American university professors, his disciples! Black Panthers his killers!" What an apology we Rabbis owe Marx-Moscow, all Jews, all mankind, IRS slave, for our 2000 year failure to teach brave the constructive-selfish Moral ABC the real Rabbi Hillel taught Jesus to unite all mankind free! The exact opposite to absolute-unselfish Marxism, that enslaves the Free! Unless we teach the whole Human race the Moral ABC from uniting All-One-God-Faith, we're dead men on furlough from half-true hates!

>From '29 to '79 we wired our "Public Servants" over 13,000 times to help unite the whole Human race in our Eternal Fathers' great All-One-God-Faith! With the 8 great books by Thos. Paine, suppressed since 1799: The Realist Declaration, The Age of Reason & The Army of Principles will instantly unite the whole Human race in our Eternal Father's great All-One- God-Faith: "LISTEN CHILDREN ETERNAL FATHER ETERNALLY ONE!" WE'RE ALL ONE!

The trouble is that the wrong people are always the most energetic, united & intense, dividing the hardworker to die in self-defense! That fact alone brings Hitlers & Stalins to power & that fact will only change when we teach the whole Human race the Moral ABC of All-One-God-Faith, lightning-like, 6 billion strong & we're All-One! All-One! All-One! As Israel teaches since the year One: "Listen Children Eternal Father Eternally One!' Exceptions? None!

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08-07-2014, 02:12 AM
RE: Uhm... what?
Taq, I won't laugh at you if you say that you don't understand. (I'm sorry if I ever did) I'm not like your parents or teachers who punished you for not understanding or denied the existence of what they didn't understand.

There is some tough stuff out there and it's not all as clear-cut as physics, chemistry or C++.
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01-08-2014, 02:05 AM
RE: Uhm... what?
(02-07-2014 09:06 PM)OddGamer Wrote:  So I'm debating things elsewhere <whistles innocently> and came across a phrase in a counter to me.

"The phrase, 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof/evidence,' suggests the contiguity of metaphysical essentialism."

Up until this point I understood every word the other person was saying. Then my brain melted. I tried to look up the individual terms, the phrase as a whole, but I can't make heads nor tails of what the heck this is supposed to mean, or why it is "fallacious reasoning because no human organism or even a super computer can truly decipher this or even describe it".

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I admit I'm a philosophy noob.

Incidentally, I half suspect the person who used it (who repeated it twice without explanation both times) is copy/pasting the phrase he read/heard somewhere else without understanding it himself. Still, if it's right... I'd like to know.

The phrase, 'the contiguity of metaphysical essentialism,' suggests: 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof/evidence'.

Tell him not to beg....it's embarrassing.
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