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08-03-2013, 01:07 PM
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
Eyewitness testimony is the weakest evidence you can give in court. If I can't trust what Joe Blow saw happen at the gas station robbery two months ago, how can I trust what a few people allegedly saw 2000 years ago after it's been filtered through centuries of exaggeration and pious fraud?

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08-03-2013, 01:16 PM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2013 01:34 PM by mrbuddy4413.)
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
(08-03-2013 01:01 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 12:48 PM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  eyewitness testimony of a risen Christ

Really? You witnessed it?

Because, if you're only talking about the people who might have claimed to see him 2000 years ago, well, for one they could have been lying and for another, the guys who wrote the gospels didn't actually talk to those people so the gospel authors might have made those people up.

You're own eyewitness testimony should serve to convince you, but the alleged eyewitness testimony of people who might not even exist and might have lied if they did exist, should not by all too compelling, especially to base your entire life's assumptions on such possibly false testimony.
Did you witness Sandy Hook?

John was the disciple Jesus loved. 1 John 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

Did you witness the death of Bin Laden?
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08-03-2013, 01:21 PM
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
(08-03-2013 01:07 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Eyewitness testimony is the weakest evidence you can give in court. If I can't trust what Joe Blow saw happen at the gas station robbery two months ago, how can I trust what a few people allegedly saw 2000 years ago after it's been filtered through centuries of exaggeration and pious fraud?
Eyewitness testimony can send you straight to the chair.
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08-03-2013, 01:30 PM
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
Death was not the sacrifice. The sacrifice was being responsible for the sins of the world and having God the Father punish the Son for sins he did not commit. There is nothing to fall for. I was predestined to have the ability to understand the message, accept the gift of salvation, and join Christ in eternal glory. Not everyone will be saved however.
(08-03-2013 01:07 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 12:52 PM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  You're going to have to do better than this because this passage you quoted does not even come close to answering the basic (unanswerable) question, "Why does the universe exist?
I assume, but don't forget what Jesus did while here. He sacrificed himself for mankind. That is an important part of his glory.

John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

Really?

Jesus might not have existed - you have one book that talks about him and it could be all made up.

If he did exist, how was this a sacrifice?

Don't fall for it just because your pastor says it's a sacrifice, actually THINK about it. If everything in the bible is true, then Jesus knew who and what he was. At the time, he'd spent about 3 decades wandering around in the desert. Hot, sweaty, sometimes dehydrated, sometimes hungry, sometimes sunburned, sometimes persecuted. Sometimes happy, but sometimes not. But knowing he's the son of God, knowing that heaven's glory awaits him the instant he dies, knowing that he'll exist in perfect happy bliss for all of eternity, never hot, never sweaty, never thirsty, never hungry, always happy, never not - knowing this, was it really that big a sacrifice to have the Romans end his mortal existence so he could ascend to heaven and begin his perfect eternity as the son of God?

Not a bit. Not even a tiny little bit of a sacrifice.

And Jesus, if he existed, if God existed, if the bible is true, knew it. He knew it was no sacrifice.

Think about that, and when you get it, then ask yourself why all the 2,000 years of religious leaders since then have claimed that it was a sacrifice made for YOU.
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08-03-2013, 02:31 PM
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
(08-03-2013 01:21 PM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 01:07 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Eyewitness testimony is the weakest evidence you can give in court. If I can't trust what Joe Blow saw happen at the gas station robbery two months ago, how can I trust what a few people allegedly saw 2000 years ago after it's been filtered through centuries of exaggeration and pious fraud?
Eyewitness testimony can send you straight to the chair.

Not on its own, it can't. Sorry Blasphemilious, you need to learn more about the US judicial system as well as history and science. Drinking Beverage

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614C → 714N + e + ̅νe
2 K(s) + 2 H2O(l) → 2 KOH(aq) + H2 (g) + 196 kJ/mol
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09-03-2013, 02:03 AM
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
(08-03-2013 01:16 PM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 01:01 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  Really? You witnessed it?

Because, if you're only talking about the people who might have claimed to see him 2000 years ago, well, for one they could have been lying and for another, the guys who wrote the gospels didn't actually talk to those people so the gospel authors might have made those people up.

You're own eyewitness testimony should serve to convince you, but the alleged eyewitness testimony of people who might not even exist and might have lied if they did exist, should not by all too compelling, especially to base your entire life's assumptions on such possibly false testimony.
Did you witness Sandy Hook?

John was the disciple Jesus loved. 1 John 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

Did you witness the death of Bin Laden?


We have evidence that Sandy Hook happened. Bullet holes and shell casings, dead children, grieving families, hundreds of people on site to see the aftermath, video and photographic evidence. Christians wish they had evidence for their God and Christ like we do for Sandy Hook. As for Bin Laden, that is a bit sketchier. Unless Bin Laden comes back from the dead and claims to be the second coming of Muhammad, there is enough evidence for me to believe that he is actually dead. It's an ordinary claim, and so does not require more than ordinary evidence.


Also, word to the wise. Don't start quoting scripture to attempt to prove your case. The scripture isn't proof, it's the CLAIM. Plus, we can quote it right back at you.

Matthew 2:23 - Nazareth is never mentioned again in the Bible, Jesus is never called a 'Nazarene'
Matthew 27:9-10 - There is no such prophesy in Jeremiah
Matthew 2:14-15 - Refers to Hosea 11:1, which is about the nation of Israel, not the Messiah.
Matthew 1:22-23 - Misquotation of Isaiah 7:14, also Jesus is never referred to as 'Immanuel'.

The authors of Matthew have fabricated a prophesy about the Messiah being from Nazareth, misquoting a passage from Hosea to make it seem to be about Jesus, misattributed a prophesy to Jeremiah that does not appear in Jeremiah, and changing the words of Isaiah 7:14. Conclusions? The Bible is not inerrant, and Jesus is not the Messiah.

Good luck with that.

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09-03-2013, 02:26 AM
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
The book of Matthew is actually kind of hilarious if you know anything about biblical history.

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10-03-2013, 10:48 AM
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
(09-03-2013 02:03 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 01:16 PM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  Did you witness Sandy Hook?

John was the disciple Jesus loved. 1 John 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

Did you witness the death of Bin Laden?


We have evidence that Sandy Hook happened. Bullet holes and shell casings, dead children, grieving families, hundreds of people on site to see the aftermath, video and photographic evidence. Christians wish they had evidence for their God and Christ like we do for Sandy Hook. As for Bin Laden, that is a bit sketchier. Unless Bin Laden comes back from the dead and claims to be the second coming of Muhammad, there is enough evidence for me to believe that he is actually dead. It's an ordinary claim, and so does not require more than ordinary evidence.


Also, word to the wise. Don't start quoting scripture to attempt to prove your case. The scripture isn't proof, it's the CLAIM. Plus, we can quote it right back at you.

Matthew 2:23 - Nazareth is never mentioned again in the Bible, Jesus is never called a 'Nazarene'
Matthew 27:9-10 - There is no such prophesy in Jeremiah
Matthew 2:14-15 - Refers to Hosea 11:1, which is about the nation of Israel, not the Messiah.
Matthew 1:22-23 - Misquotation of Isaiah 7:14, also Jesus is never referred to as 'Immanuel'.

The authors of Matthew have fabricated a prophesy about the Messiah being from Nazareth, misquoting a passage from Hosea to make it seem to be about Jesus, misattributed a prophesy to Jeremiah that does not appear in Jeremiah, and changing the words of Isaiah 7:14. Conclusions? The Bible is not inerrant, and Jesus is not the Messiah.

Good luck with that.
"We" is not you. YOU are still taking someone's word. No difference.
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10-03-2013, 09:30 PM
RE: Unanswered questions by Creationists
(10-03-2013 10:48 AM)mrbuddy4413 Wrote:  
(09-03-2013 02:03 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  We have evidence that Sandy Hook happened. Bullet holes and shell casings, dead children, grieving families, hundreds of people on site to see the aftermath, video and photographic evidence. Christians wish they had evidence for their God and Christ like we do for Sandy Hook. As for Bin Laden, that is a bit sketchier. Unless Bin Laden comes back from the dead and claims to be the second coming of Muhammad, there is enough evidence for me to believe that he is actually dead. It's an ordinary claim, and so does not require more than ordinary evidence.


Also, word to the wise. Don't start quoting scripture to attempt to prove your case. The scripture isn't proof, it's the CLAIM. Plus, we can quote it right back at you.

Matthew 2:23 - Nazareth is never mentioned again in the Bible, Jesus is never called a 'Nazarene'
Matthew 27:9-10 - There is no such prophesy in Jeremiah
Matthew 2:14-15 - Refers to Hosea 11:1, which is about the nation of Israel, not the Messiah.
Matthew 1:22-23 - Misquotation of Isaiah 7:14, also Jesus is never referred to as 'Immanuel'.

The authors of Matthew have fabricated a prophesy about the Messiah being from Nazareth, misquoting a passage from Hosea to make it seem to be about Jesus, misattributed a prophesy to Jeremiah that does not appear in Jeremiah, and changing the words of Isaiah 7:14. Conclusions? The Bible is not inerrant, and Jesus is not the Messiah.

Good luck with that.
"We" is not you. YOU are still taking someone's word. No difference.

If you can't tell the difference between a substantiated and corroborated claim back by evidence (Sandy Hook), from anonymous texts written decades after the fact by non-eyewitnesses with an a priori agenda (the Gospels), then you are being purposely obtuse and ignorant.

Good luck with that, and don't forget to drink your Kool-Aid...

You know, like these (not) rational and (not) skeptical and (not) discernible individuals in Jonestown.

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