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13-01-2016, 06:19 PM (This post was last modified: 13-01-2016 06:24 PM by TurkeyBurner.)
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(13-01-2016 06:05 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(13-01-2016 05:48 PM)TurkeyBurner Wrote:  Of the things you do believe to be true, when did you first start believing them?
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I guess I always believe that there was a God. Although as a child I did not know what it was.

By "a" God, do you mean any God or specifically the God of the bible?

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13-01-2016, 06:19 PM
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13-01-2016, 06:19 PM
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13-01-2016, 06:21 PM
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(13-01-2016 06:19 PM)TurkeyBurner Wrote:  
(13-01-2016 06:05 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  Edit with final answer:

I guess I always believe that there was a God. Although as a child I did not know what it was.

By "a" God, do you many any God or specifically the God of the bible?
This was before I knew any concept of "God". I am talking like age 3. My parents were not very religious even though they are Catholic. Even if they did take me to church I was tossed in the daycare.

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13-01-2016, 06:23 PM
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13-01-2016, 06:28 PM
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(13-01-2016 06:23 PM)jennybee Wrote:  For Turkey:

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13-01-2016, 06:31 PM
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(13-01-2016 06:21 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(13-01-2016 06:19 PM)TurkeyBurner Wrote:  By "a" God, do you many any God or specifically the God of the bible?
This was before I knew any concept of "God". I am talking like age 3. My parents were not very religious even though they are Catholic. Even if they did take me to church I was tossed in the daycare.

Btw...this response was made prior to the meme statement....memes start now unless I cannot answer appropriately with one. Angel

Would you characterize your current concept of God to be the one described in the bible?

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13-01-2016, 06:33 PM
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(13-01-2016 06:02 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  One key indicator is who witnessed the occurrence that is being written. The fewer the witnesses the less literal I tend to get. This would be in order of figurative to literal.

1. The creation and Job (Satan and God meeting)would be an example of where it could be most figurative because there were absolutely no witnesses to the event. Not even the author.

2. If there is only one witness and the witness is not the supposed author. The 40 days Jesus spent in the wilderness would be such a case. Yet it could still be possible that Jesus may have told his deciples about it.

3. If the author was the only witness then it could be viewed in a more literal sense but not by much. Example would be Moses on Mount Sinai and Revelation.

4. Multiple witness where the author supposed author was not present. In this case, if the author was not present, I would assume after talking to the witnesses he could have filled in the blanks. The account of the cruxifixion according to the gospel of Matthew is an example. Mathews was not present but he supposedly wrote about it using the testimony of others.

5. Finally, multiple witnesses where the author was one of the witnesses. Pentecost, last supper, ect.

So when there are inconsistencies in the gospels this is the formula I personally use to come to my own personal conclusion on what would be more accurate. I would favor John's account of the Crucifixion over Matthew or Luke ect.

Interesting, thanks. I would say that the biggest flaw I see in that is the presumption that the events actually happened and that the witnesses existed. Nick Carraway wrote about his experiences with Gatsby, many of which were witnessed by large numbers of other people. If we had lost the identity of the real author, like we have for the gospels, we could easily assume it was an actual biography. With no confirmation of who actually wrote a story we need external evidence to determine if it is an accurate portrayal, an embellished account based on real events, or pure fiction.

For example, with regard to the example of Moses on Sinai, had large numbers of Hebrews spent that much time in the region then we'd expect to find archaeological evidence of that. Such evidence would lend credence to at least some parts of the story. The total lack of evidence, despite searches for it, indicates that the Exodus story is most probably almost entirely fictional.

Matthew's gospel takes us back to Nick Carroway's experiences with Gatsby. Unless we know that "Matthew" existed and wrote the story we can't tell it from a completely fictionalized account. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to say that Matthew used the testimony of others unless we have reason to believe that the events happened and that Matthew was the actual author and was trying to record historical events.

The same is true for things like the last supper where there are supposedly multiple witnesses. We don't have multiple accounts that pretty much line up, we have one story that was edited and retold (Matthew using Mark, Luke using Matthew, John using acid) and even then the order and nature of events is quite different and seem to show the different authors feeling free to alter it to suit their goals. We don't have corroborating evidence that the core events took place at all.

You are assuming the fact of the event and the existence of the witnesses and then looking at the text and saying that it confirms that the event took place and that the multiple witnesses support that. I don't see that you ever have anything except an unknown.

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13-01-2016, 06:53 PM
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(13-01-2016 06:05 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(13-01-2016 05:48 PM)TurkeyBurner Wrote:  Of the things you do believe to be true, when did you first start believing them?
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I guess I always believe that there was a God. Although as a child I did not know what it was.

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13-01-2016, 07:54 PM
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(13-01-2016 06:31 PM)TurkeyBurner Wrote:  
(13-01-2016 06:21 PM)jason_delisle Wrote:  This was before I knew any concept of "God". I am talking like age 3. My parents were not very religious even though they are Catholic. Even if they did take me to church I was tossed in the daycare.

Btw...this response was made prior to the meme statement....memes start now unless I cannot answer appropriately with one. Angel

Would you characterize your current concept of God to be the one described in the bible?
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