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02-01-2014, 05:23 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
I have always found the "complexity of the human eye" argument to be a ridiculous defense. The eye of an octopus is far more complex than the human eye, but creationists have this obsession with self-importance. Look at all the other animals on this planet that do so many things better than us. We're some of the slowest animals on the planet, we can't breathe on both land and water like amphibians, Owls, hawks, and lions have far better vision, dogs have a far superior sense of smell, and elephants have a sense of smell that makes a dog seem weak. There are countless animals that are much better swimmers, jumpers, and climbers than we are. Creationists don't want to accept the fact that we are a part of nature. They want to believe that humans are "God's great creation", and that we are somehow above all other living things on this planet - that the Earth was specially made for us to do whatever we please. Fact is that if a disease went and killed every human on Earth in a week, all other life on the planet would still go on without us -and, in all honesty, be better off without man's destructiveness. The planet doesn't depend on us for survival, and the universe certainly doesn't depend on our planet for anything.

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02-01-2014, 08:29 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
Yeah. We're the ones writing all the history books... and mythology books, sadly, too.

Once the dolphins start writing, they'll probably come up with a story about some under-the-sea god that created them all from seaweed or something. We'll find it quaint and stupid, and the irony will be lost on two thirds of us.
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03-01-2014, 04:48 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
(18-12-2013 01:25 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  A little thread for you to post your favorite examples of why evolution is obviously not the result of any intelligent design.

I'm saving my all-time favorite for later but will kick things off with Dawkin's example from The Greatest Show on Earth of the human eye:
  • Blood vessels overlying the retina
  • Blind spots
  • Floaties in the vitreous humour
  • Defects in the lens, cornea and overall shape of the eyeball
  • Many of which get removed by post-processing in your vision centers.
A system so badly put together that anybody designing it for an electronics company would be out looking for new employment so fast it'd make their head spin.

I can buy a house that is ready to move-in. I don't have to do anything.

But I can buy a house with lots of problems and bad design. Then I have to do/fix lots of things. By doing/fixing lots of things I am LEARNING lots of things.

Lack of something makes me more creative person. I am learning to do "miracles" from what I have.

"Bad" design is for the purpose to become more creative, more intelligent, more knowledgeable, more productive.
Creating things, fixing things also brings happiness.

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03-01-2014, 04:56 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
(03-01-2014 04:48 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(18-12-2013 01:25 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  A little thread for you to post your favorite examples of why evolution is obviously not the result of any intelligent design.

I'm saving my all-time favorite for later but will kick things off with Dawkin's example from The Greatest Show on Earth of the human eye:
  • Blood vessels overlying the retina
  • Blind spots
  • Floaties in the vitreous humour
  • Defects in the lens, cornea and overall shape of the eyeball
  • Many of which get removed by post-processing in your vision centers.
A system so badly put together that anybody designing it for an electronics company would be out looking for new employment so fast it'd make their head spin.

I can buy a house that is ready to move-in. I don't have to do anything.

But I can buy a house with lots of problems and bad design. Then I have to do/fix lots of things. By doing/fixing lots of things I am LEARNING lots of things.

Lack of something makes me more creative person. I am learning to do "miracles" from what I have.

"Bad" design is for the purpose to become more creative, more intelligent, more knowledgeable, more productive.
Creating things, fixing things also brings happiness.
Do let us know when you learn how to fix things like congenital blindness, Down's Syndrome, and cancer in children; and don't leave out what you learned from it. Dodgy
You'd probably tell us about medical stuff you learned. I'd tell you I learned God is an asshole.

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03-01-2014, 05:19 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
(03-01-2014 04:48 PM)Alla Wrote:  I can buy a house that is ready to move-in. I don't have to do anything.

But I can buy a house with lots of problems and bad design. Then I have to do/fix lots of things. By doing/fixing lots of things I am LEARNING lots of things.

Lack of something makes me more creative person. I am learning to do "miracles" from what I have.

"Bad" design is for the purpose to become more creative, more intelligent, more knowledgeable, more productive.
Creating things, fixing things also brings happiness.

Did I really read this?

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03-01-2014, 05:42 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
I'm short sighted with Astigmatism - clearly not intelligent design.

In any case the ultimate in unintelligent design is God's congenitally deformed babies.
If a personal God existed then he doesn't put enough folic acid in the environment and creates babies with horrific birth defects like anencephaly and spina bifida. (caused by lack of folic acid in some cases)
http://www.spinabifida.net/wp-content/up...0b8dd2.jpg
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This is not intelligent design !!!! Sloppy design. An Engineer would be sued for such sloppiness - & God gets of the hook.

The ULTIMATE in unintelligent design is Harlequins Ichtheosis.
https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/...hyosis.jpg
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Of course we have natural explanations for why these occur based on our understanding of evolution and DNA and don't need Theodicy as an explanation.
However blaming sins or especially "original Sin" for the above genetic & congenital abnormalities can only come from a distorted deluded persons "faith" in utter nonsense.
I may not like the outcomes from the science of evolution - it may be cruel at times, but its far better (being the truth) than worshipping a barbarically cruel incompetent designer deity and pretending it is loving whilst it tortures.
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03-01-2014, 05:43 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
(03-01-2014 04:48 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(18-12-2013 01:25 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  A little thread for you to post your favorite examples of why evolution is obviously not the result of any intelligent design.

I'm saving my all-time favorite for later but will kick things off with Dawkin's example from The Greatest Show on Earth of the human eye:
  • Blood vessels overlying the retina
  • Blind spots
  • Floaties in the vitreous humour
  • Defects in the lens, cornea and overall shape of the eyeball
  • Many of which get removed by post-processing in your vision centers.
A system so badly put together that anybody designing it for an electronics company would be out looking for new employment so fast it'd make their head spin.

I can buy a house that is ready to move-in. I don't have to do anything.

But I can buy a house with lots of problems and bad design. Then I have to do/fix lots of things. By doing/fixing lots of things I am LEARNING lots of things.

Lack of something makes me more creative person. I am learning to do "miracles" from what I have.

"Bad" design is for the purpose to become more creative, more intelligent, more knowledgeable, more productive.
Creating things, fixing things also brings happiness.

Your response makes no sense, it is a very bad analogy. Very bad.

I'm afraid your delusion blinds you to critical thinking.

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03-01-2014, 05:48 PM
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Sorry if I upset anyone - those pictures of unintelligent design are really nasty & scary.

Sometimes it requires to graphically to come to terms with how barbaric and incompetent a personal god would be if existed.

...and anyone calling a personal god "loving" needs to look in the dictionary at the definition of love - I guarantee its not making babies with Harlequins Ichtheosis or killing a child every 45 seconds from Malaria.

God is a great designer - the plasmodium parasite has an amazing survival strategy by using mosquitos and human children as host vectors to survive and spread !!! Well done God for designing those plasmodiums to invade the liver and blood stream, fool the immune system and torture the millions of children with fevers till death. God less the designer deity ! such ecological harmony and artwork.
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03-01-2014, 05:57 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
There will be some Christian or Muslim somewhere still making excuses for their deity despite the cruel torturing unintelligent design witnessed in cases like those graphic pictures of harlequins ichtheosis, anencephaly or spina bifida (and many, many other similar conditions)

They will still believe their god deity is "Just & Merciful" regardless of the contrary evidence

However words like Just & merciful or "loving" become meaningless when applied to such an unintelligent design, cruel & barbaric God as if somehow calling something its opposite is going to change it.

If a rape is taking place the rapist can scream and shout "I'm doing it out of love" - that does not change the facts about the rape.
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03-01-2014, 07:14 PM
RE: Unintelligent Design
(03-01-2014 04:56 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Do let us know when you learn how to fix things like congenital blindness,
You may not learn how to fix congenital blindness.
But you may learn how to do things being blind. It is much harder to do things when you are blind.
Different hardship brings different experiences.
Part of the plan is: this life suppose to be hard.

(03-01-2014 04:56 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Down's Syndrome,
You still can learn and progress. This is the point: no matter what kind of trials you have in this life you still can learn/progress.
And we can learn about kindness and compassion.

(03-01-2014 04:56 PM)Impulse Wrote:  and cancer in children; and don't leave out what you learned from it. Dodgy
We learn how to fight cancer. By learning how to fight cancer we progress.
By suffering from cancer we are learning how to help others. When we help others we progress: we become better people.


(03-01-2014 04:56 PM)Impulse Wrote:  You'd probably tell us about medical stuff you learned. I'd tell you I learned God is an asshole.
To give someone an opportunity to learn and to progress is one of the greatest gifts.
Nobody says that it is easy to learn and to progress. It suppose to be hard.

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