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29-04-2014, 07:51 PM
RE: Unitarian Universalism
In some ways they are not unlike the Theosophists, who tend to push eastern religions more.
I think the seven principles cited are pretty sound.
Here in Melbourne (Aust) there is a bit of a tendency towards really pushing socialism,including Stalinism, which is a bit off putting.
Also over here atheism/ agnosticism is quite prevalent and well tolerated at the Unitarian Peace Church. They also conduct philosophy forums.
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29-04-2014, 10:10 PM
RE: Unitarian Universalism
(29-04-2014 05:32 PM)An_Theist Wrote:  
(29-04-2014 02:26 PM)Bible Belt Brawler Wrote:  http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/atheism/index.shtml

I saw this webpage while browsing the internet, and I have been toying with the idea of checking out one of their services. I am having a hard time figuring out exactly what they believe, and whether or not it is worth my time.

Has anybody on the forum had experience with this group?

I volunteer with them. Nice people, but have a tendency to desecrate and misinterpret many cultural and religious traditions in a few minutes.

Your batshit "tradition" NEEDS desecrating.

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29-04-2014, 10:35 PM
RE: Unitarian Universalism
(29-04-2014 03:21 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  I have a friend who is the pastor of a UU church, she is gay.

Thanks for the reply/information. Smile

Though, the Willy Macintosh thing is still a bit weird/odd/wrong, no?

Much cheers to all.
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29-04-2014, 10:56 PM
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(29-04-2014 05:31 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  
(29-04-2014 03:59 PM)PeterKA Wrote:  I will not put my faith in those that understand neither grammar nor syntax. This is the worst English I have read since Thomas Hardy

Partially fixed.

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29-04-2014, 11:24 PM
RE: Unitarian Universalism
(29-04-2014 10:56 PM)PeterKA Wrote:  
(29-04-2014 05:31 PM)Reltzik Wrote:  Partially fixed.

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You're kidding, right? Get a phone with voice-to-text capability. SOOOOO much more awesome when drunk.
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30-04-2014, 07:22 AM (This post was last modified: 30-04-2014 07:31 AM by Bible Belt Brawler.)
RE: Unitarian Universalism
(29-04-2014 06:53 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(29-04-2014 03:48 PM)Impulse Wrote:  I am currently a UU member and have been for many years.

My wife and I are from different religious backgrounds so we were married by a Unitarian Universalist minister in the hope of keeping some family peace by at least appearing to have a religious ceremony. When we adopted our kids, religion also seemed to be important in that process, so we listed UU as our "faith". In addition, we wanted our kids to be exposed to various religions for educational purposes and so they will be equipped someday to make informed decisions about what they think about the whole religion subject. So that's why we have kept attending.

Unitarian Universalists accept people of all faiths and of no faith in their church. In my view, they are almost as much political as they are religious since the members frequently organize and get involved in political causes (civil rights types of causes). As already mentioned by Taq, they tend to be liberal. Services are generally more about morals and ways of living than about any particular god, but specific gods and religious traditions can be mentioned and celebrated around the appropriate holidays. In the church that I attend, I know some atheists, homosexuals, lesbians, Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. I'm sure the specific denominations and perspectives vary from church to church.

The church holds to these seven principles:
1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person.
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations.
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations.
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning.
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large.
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all.
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

It can be a good place to go for new apostates or others who still want the sense of community that comes with religion. However, if liberal isn't your thing, then the church may not be for you.

Yes all this.

One thing I don't like about them, while they're completely inclusive when it comes to religion don't mention that you think religious belief is silly.

people are welcome to discuss their belief without finger pointing , but atheists aren't exactly welcome to talk about their lack of belief, since that's viewed and misconstrued as being intolerant or disrepectful to others.

Does that make sense?
Yes, though it seems a bit like a double standard.

How much could I say without offending one of them? I find interventionist and personal gods ridiculous, but I can at least entertain the thought of a deist god, even if I'm inclined to disbelieve due to the availability of simpler explanations. Einstein's God is the best one, in my personal opinion.
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30-04-2014, 08:38 AM
RE: Unitarian Universalism
(29-04-2014 06:53 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(29-04-2014 03:48 PM)Impulse Wrote:  I am currently a UU member and have been for many years.

My wife and I are from different religious backgrounds so we were married by a Unitarian Universalist minister in the hope of keeping some family peace by at least appearing to have a religious ceremony. When we adopted our kids, religion also seemed to be important in that process, so we listed UU as our "faith". In addition, we wanted our kids to be exposed to various religions for educational purposes and so they will be equipped someday to make informed decisions about what they think about the whole religion subject. So that's why we have kept attending.

Unitarian Universalists accept people of all faiths and of no faith in their church. In my view, they are almost as much political as they are religious since the members frequently organize and get involved in political causes (civil rights types of causes). As already mentioned by Taq, they tend to be liberal. Services are generally more about morals and ways of living than about any particular god, but specific gods and religious traditions can be mentioned and celebrated around the appropriate holidays. In the church that I attend, I know some atheists, homosexuals, lesbians, Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. I'm sure the specific denominations and perspectives vary from church to church.

The church holds to these seven principles:
1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person.
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations.
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations.
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning.
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large.
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all.
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

It can be a good place to go for new apostates or others who still want the sense of community that comes with religion. However, if liberal isn't your thing, then the church may not be for you.

Yes all this.

One thing I don't like about them, while they're completely inclusive when it comes to religion don't mention that you think religious belief is silly.

people are welcome to discuss their belief without finger pointing , but atheists aren't exactly welcome to talk about their lack of belief, since that's viewed and misconstrued as being intolerant or disrepectful to others.

Does that make sense?
I haven't experienced this in the church that I attend, but this type of thing probably differs from church to church based on the personalities and backgrounds of the minister and congregation.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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30-04-2014, 08:45 AM
RE: Unitarian Universalism
(29-04-2014 10:35 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  
(29-04-2014 03:21 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  I have a friend who is the pastor of a UU church, she is gay.

Thanks for the reply/information. Smile

Though, the Willy Macintosh thing is still a bit weird/odd/wrong, no?

Much cheers to all.
I'm not sure what you're referring to? I saw your earlier post about condoms and that didn't clarify it for me either (nor did I understand the problem you were raising there).

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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30-04-2014, 04:39 PM
RE: Unitarian Universalism
(29-04-2014 02:26 PM)Bible Belt Brawler Wrote:  http://www.uua.org/beliefs/welcome/atheism/index.shtml

I saw this webpage while browsing the internet, and I have been toying with the idea of checking out one of their services. I am having a hard time figuring out exactly what they believe, and whether or not it is worth my time.

Has anybody on the forum had experience with this group?

One of my buddies from high school recently became a UU minister. He was raised in the church and went to a great college to study mechanical engineering - we were all surprised with his career choice. He's genuinely a sweetheart of guy: totally chill, accepting, kind, and a big advocate of LGBTQ rights and atheist acceptance.

He's my one and only data point around UU identity and culture. But, if he's at all representative of the group, I'll give them a pass. It sounds like being part of a cool, accepting community is the primary goal of any UU congregation (and any particular belief system you have is incidental).

"The truth must dazzle gradually / or every man be blind." Emily Dickinson
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30-04-2014, 05:09 PM
RE: Unitarian Universalism
(29-04-2014 03:21 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  
(29-04-2014 02:52 PM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Well...randomly and briefly perusing through their web-site and linked documents brings up a rather interesting little snippet.

" β€’ Latex condoms can greatly reduce, but not eliminate, the risk of HIV transmission during intercourse. "

(Page 66 of this document => http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/image...elines.pdf )

Pretty sure that's a furfy. :/

Have not the time to really peruse more - but simply, quickly finding that little gem kind of colours my perception of the group.

Reading their views on people's sexual relations (As in gender) will also be interesting...

Much cheers to all.

I have a friend who is the pastor of a UU church, she is gay.

I also have a friend who's brother is a Unitarian Preist.

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