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19-06-2011, 06:44 PM
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
(19-06-2011 03:21 PM)Parture Wrote:  All sin must be judged before forgiveness since God is a righteous God, so Jesus takes that judgment upone Himself. It is the soul that sins and the soul life is in the blood so it is the shedding of His blood that atones for sins whosoever is willing to receive His saving grace. Amen.

Yes but why can an omnipotent being not just forgive us? Why go through all this ridiculous plan to forgive us when he could forgive us without the plan?

Why did an omniscient being not foresee the problem of sin?

Why did an omniscient being leave temptation in Adam and Eves way when he KNEW it was there and KNEW they would fail?

Why would an omni-benevolent being make every baby be born with sin because of an action performed by an ancestor 6000 years ago?

Why has God, who openly appeared to people and performed miracles continuously before we had scientific knowledge, suddenly gone quiet now we have the scientific knowledge to understand things?

Why would an omni-benevolent God, who wants the best for his creation, condemn someone to hell for not believing in him, when he presents no empirical evidence, even if they live a moral life and enrich the lives of all around them, even advance the whole of humanity?

Just some things for you to think about.

Best and worst of Ferdinand .....
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Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
Worst
Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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19-06-2011, 06:48 PM
 
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
In his "The Third Reich In Power", which was sung by the Hitler Youth at for instance the 1934 Nuremberg Party Rally:

We are the jolly Hitler Youth
We don't need any Christian truth
For Adolf Hitler, our Leader,
Always is our interceder.

Whatever the Papist priests may try,
We're Hitler's children until we die;
We follow not Christ but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and holy water vessel!

As sons of our forebearers from times gone by
We march as we sing with banners held high.
I'm not a Christian, nor a Catholic,
I go with the SA[tan] through thin and thick.

Hitler was "critical of Christianity for its 'meekness' and admired the religion in Japan and Islam for their aggression and self-sacrifice."

Jesus said, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom" (Luke 12.32).

Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953). From soc.religion.christian newsgroup's Hitler FAQ.


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941 •"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday •"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday •"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night •"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday •"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight •"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday •"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner •"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday •"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." Albert Speer reports a similar statement: “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[19][20] In the Hossbach Memorandum, Hitler is recorded as saying that "only the disintegrating effect of Christianity, and the symptoms of age" were responsible for the demise of the Roman Empire.[21] In 1941, Hitler praised an anti-Christian tract from AD 362, neo-platonist and pagan Roman emperor Julian the Apostate's Against the Galileans, saying "I really hadn't known how clearly a man like Julian had judged Christians and Christianity, one must read this...."[22]
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19-06-2011, 06:49 PM
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
(19-06-2011 03:01 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(19-06-2011 02:33 PM)Parture Wrote:  
(19-06-2011 09:21 AM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  Parture,
Little thought experiment here.
What would you call someone who, dedicated their life to helping others, donated every penny they had, helped organize/fund multiple charities, and worked to make peoples last moments painless, who was also an atheist?
I would call that vain because you are stilling going to Hell because you reject the only way to salvation through Jesus Christ.

Who died and made you keeper of the gates of hell? I went to Lutheran school K-12. I have read the bible cover-to-cover more times than you. I gave up the promise of a postmortem preservation of identity decades ago along with Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. What I would call vain is thinking that an omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent being would even give enough of a shit to even notice my pathetic little GirlyAss. I know I couldn't be bothered. Don't get me wrong, there is a heaven and there is a hell but if you know what life is worth, you will look for yours on earth.

(19-06-2011 02:44 PM)Parture Wrote:  Animals have consciousness but they don't have God-consciousness. ... Plants do not have God-consciousness either.

I don't know what could possibly make you so certain of that. Been thinking on it for three decades now and I ain't willing to make either of those claims.

No love for the GirlyMan, Parture? I understand, nobody really knows what to make of love for the GirlyMan. Wink

As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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19-06-2011, 07:02 PM (This post was last modified: 19-06-2011 07:10 PM by MasterRottweiler.)
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
Gott Mit Uns.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited."

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people.

- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant

We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933

I'm done, I dont want to reply to your IDIOTIC, BIGOTED, NON-SENSICAL, posts anymore, it became pointless from the moment you judge us and threaten us with this non-sensical construct named HELL.

You have proved us right about how christian fundies are bigoted, intolerant, messiah-complex nutfucks, self-proclaimed judges of ALL the people who don't agree with your TWISTED sense of morality.

"The tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands makes religion one of the most dangerous forces in the world.”
-Georgia Harkness.

"La fe es patrimonio de los pendejos. (Faith is patrimony of the dumbfucks)."
-Diego Rivera
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19-06-2011, 07:03 PM
 
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
hughsie,

God does forgive you that's why He died on the cross for the sins of the world, but since you refuse His forgiveness by refusing what He did for you, then you will go to Hell as you wish in your heart of hearts. You want a god that is not righteous, but a righteous God requires the punishment for sin. You want to be selfish and saved, but God wants selfless people saved. Why do you want to be so selfish? Even in society we lock some people up for life for good reason. How can God's standards be less than our own?

Are you advancing society but continuing in a lie? Of course not. Man can not be saved by works because no works can stand up to God's greatness, hence, salvation is by faith.

God foresaw the problem of sin and provided the solution. Why do you shut your mind down to this?

Free will is not truly free will if Adam and Eve did not have the choice to go with Satan. Why do you prefer less than being made in God's image?

There is no way around being born in the flesh. I trust you know how procreation works. Hence, all that is born of the flesh is flesh. Why do you want some fantasy model? Come back to reality.

The knowledge of God is not dependent on how much scientific knowledge you have, for it is easy enough to know God exists by simply looking at the mountains and stars to know God did it and to know something can't come from nothing and infinite regress is impossible, so nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated.

Why is Jesus is not here now? Why did He pick the time when He entered His creation 2000 years ago? Becaus that was the perfect time. Presumably if He came today instead for 2000 years people would not have this wonderful blessing of His death on the cross. Why should he favor you now with more knowledge yet you still reject Him? Blessed He says are those who haven't seen Him and believe. Jesus was murdered showing how men like you don't want Him around, so He shows mankind how we can't do it on our own without Him, thus He will return during the Great Tribulation (Armageddon), but He doesn't return for your sake but for the sake of His elect. Praise the Lord!

The greatest sin of all is to reject God. God wants to be with those who love Him, so how would that work to allow people such as yourself to corrupt the presence of His people with your sin?

The empirical evidence proves God's existence, so shutting your mind down to this fact is a sin. If you complain about going to Hell yet reject God and you can't be with God because God can't have you in His presence because you prefer your hostility, you are asking God to be urnighteous towards you by not sending you to Hell for eternity. There is only two places. The New City and Hell. You have made your choice so why complain about it?






MasterRottweiler,

So what do we see? We see Hitler claimed to believe in God but he hated the Christian God. But how did he act? He acted like any atheist towards natural selection by his Aryan race. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it is probably a duck (an atheist). Mao killed 60 million, your Stalin killed 40 million and your Hitler killed 30 million. A Christian never hurt a flea. 200 million died in the 20th century due to the natural selection pursuits of people like you (atheists). You're bad people!
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19-06-2011, 07:13 PM (This post was last modified: 19-06-2011 07:30 PM by MasterRottweiler.)
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
No, you idiot, Hitler and the white supremacists believe Jesus was aryan.

“Jesus loves me, this I know… because the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church Life tells me so.” Anyway, that’s what they were singing in Germany in 1939. And the reason Jesus loved them was because they were Aryan. Just like Jesus.

They sanitized the Gospels of the stink of Judaism. Of course, to do this they had to prove that Jesus was not a Jew. No problem. They simply reminded everyone that the Assyrians had conquered Galilee 800 years before Jesus was born. Which meant Jesus was not Jewish he was Assyrian. And, since Assyrians are Aryans, then it follows that Jesus is Aryan too. Moreover, those rascally Jews – the ones that wrote the Gospels, along with the Apostle Paul, who was a Jewish dude—had deliberately stolen and perverted the Aryan teachings of the Aryan Jesus.

"The tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands makes religion one of the most dangerous forces in the world.”
-Georgia Harkness.

"La fe es patrimonio de los pendejos. (Faith is patrimony of the dumbfucks)."
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19-06-2011, 07:17 PM
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
I'm done with you, here's a promise Parture, if you're right I'll laugh at you from hell while you stand around giving praise to the lord for all eternity. Not that you're right =p But there's your just in case. I would never want to be anywhere near that horrendous figure described in your book.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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19-06-2011, 07:26 PM
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  SecularStudent,

What makes the Bible true and other faiths false is that only does God of the Bible prove Himself by the multiple attestation seeing Jesus alive from the dead in various group settings.

The proof of receiving a newly resurrected body is by the proof of the resurrection of Jesus. He is the firstfruits.

These are bare assertions without evidence. Like someone else on the forum mentioned, there is more evidence for the existence of Mohammad than there is for Jesus. Now, I am not saying that there wasn't a historical figure (or multiple figures) from whom the biblical Jesus was based off, but considering that there is less evidence for the existence of Jesus than Mohammad, I am surprised you are not a Muslim since you claim to take evidence and proof so seriously.

(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  God kills people in the Bible because they are unredeemable and unless He killed them they would have annihilated Israel. Israel is key for through Israel the Messiah is born.

Seriously?! Babies and animals are "irredeemable"?! What evidence do you have that people living in the Americas were planning on destroying Israel during the time of Noah? HOW would they have done this? What sort of warped logic do you have to use to get to this conclusion?

(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  Lot's story is on account of the fact he knew they would not rape his daughters that saved the situation. Sodom was destroyed because of its homosexuality. San Francisco will probably be nuked. I would not want to be living in that city during the Great Tribulation Feb. 25, 2019 to Aug. 7, 2022,

http://biblocality.com/forums/content.ph...-Blessing!

Really? Lot knew that the mob would do absolutely NO harm to his daughters whatsoever? How did he know this? I think you are missing the point of the example = the Bible deems women worth less than men. Another example:

-When a woman gives birth to a child, she is unclean (because apparently anything and everything that is natural is dirty and sinful >.<)
-When a woman gives birth to a daughter, she is twice as unclean as she would be if she gave birth to a son.
-Menstruating women are unclean.
-If a woman sleeps with more than one man, she is a whore. Yet if a man has hundreds of concubines (i.e. King David), he is not a whore.
Oh, and if you think I'll just use the OT, here are some gems from the NT:
-Women must not speak in church. If they have questions, they must wait until they get home to ask their husbands. Not only is this a sexist rule, but it assumes that women are inherently less intelligent than men.
-Women are to submit to their husbands in everything, as if their husbands were Christ. Lovely.

You see, your god hates women (and anybody else who is not a "typical" male). I cannot worship a god that would require my father to sell me, an unmarried woman, to my rapist if I were ever to be raped.

Oh, and what the hell is wrong with homosexuality?! Why do Christians insist that a natural act between two consenting adults is so horrible? Just because it says it's wrong in the Bible does not make it true. The same Bible also tells you to stone your children to death if they disrespect you. Would you stone your children to death if/when you have them? I didn't think so. You cherry pick which parts of the Bible you want to follow, which just goes to show your true character.

(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  There is common grace and special grace of the gospel. A person who has received the former all he need do is look at the mountains and stars and receive that God for surely if he was presented Jesus he would accept Him as He truly is.

So what about someone who hasn't received this "common grace"; i.e. everybody who is not Christian? Obviously we haven't received this grace because otherwise we would believe. So what's Yahweh's excuse for not granting us this magical ability?


(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  The NT was written all within the first century so all your theories based on late-dating fall on their face.

When did I say anything about dating? Anyways, here's a great site for the dating of the NT if you're interested: Dating the NT

(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  God has given you free will. He has given you the best evidence He could, so the choice to shut your mind down is yours alone. There is no better way for God to reveal Himself to us than through Jesus. It was a sin to fill the Temple with money changers. Jesus should be killed for turning over their tables? How evil!

Again with the free will argument! I've explained why it doesn't work with an all-powerfull, all-knowing god. If you won't accept my explanation, then I don't know how else to get through to you. I agree that killing a man for destroying a Temple is not what I would have done, but that's what the Romans did. The evidence does not make it more or less moral; I was simply stating facts. And I completely disagree with you 100% that Yahweh revealing himself through Jesus was the best way to reveal himself to all of mankind. Why did he not go to a more populated country? Why did he not reveal himself through multiple Jesus in multiple places around the world and have himself crucified at the exact same time everywhere? That would have been more convincing.

(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  The 144,000 (Rev. 14.1-5) are not the only ones that are saved but these are the ones who will be closest to Christ during the millennial reign for keeping their virginity.

No, Revelation 14:3 states: "...and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." So no man...but these 144 000 will be saved. I will ask you again: why would Yahweh save so few?

(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  God is not the one who sends fire and brimstone but it is Satan and man sining against man. Why blame God? But He returns for the sake of His elect. He promised there would be no more flood which would be wiping out everything.

Excuse me, but who created Satan in the first place with the foreknowledge that he would do this? Yahweh. So even if you try and say that "It's Satan's fault", look to the person who created him and apparently gave him full reign over the destruction of the Earth. Revelation 20:7: "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison". So Yahweh releases Satan for the sole purpose of destroying everything. Lovely. THAT is why I blame your god.

Also, Revelation 20:9: "...and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." Yahweh participates too!

(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  Hell is fully proven. Jesus is fully proven and He spoke on Hell more than anyone. Hell is necessary because you can't cease to exist nor can you be with His elect.

Jesus spoke about Hell, so that's proof that Hell exists? Seriously? Again, this means there is just as much evidence for Hades, Niflheim, and reincarnation because people spoke about these too. Odysseus and Hercules even went down to Hades and came back up! That's proof that Hades exists! At least, according to your definition of proof, it is.

And I agree with you that we do not cease to exist. Our concept of self; i.e. "I" will cease to exist. My corpse will still remain, eventually decompose, and become recycled into the ecosystem. Nowhere does the existence of Hell need to come into effect.

(18-06-2011 06:54 PM)Parture Wrote:  What is the evidence for the soul? You can see its functions of mind, will and emotion, just as the spirit's functions of intuition, communion and conscience. The evidence ultimately that you have these permanently existing elements is that it would be evil of God to create you in His image then allow you to cease to exist. As Jesus was resurrected so shall you be, but the question is where?

What I see is the function of the brain. The brain performs all of these aforementioned functions that you describe. If you do not believe me, then take a neuroscience class or two and then get back to me. Tongue

And, I'm sorry, but how is your assertion that I am created by a god evidence for anything? All I have is your word. That is like me saying that you are doomed to an eternity of boredom in Niflheim because you did not die a valiant death in battle. You will dismiss this assertion because I have absolutely no evidence that you will end up in Niflheim. This is also why I dismiss your assertion.

The thing is, I think it would be absolutely evil if god created me with a sceptical mind, refused to show himself to me (and yet, he's shown himself to many people in the OT) and then send me to an eternity in a fiery pit because I didn't believe in something that there is absolutely no evidence for. I think that the cessation of my brain's functions is much, much more peaceful and comforting than the idea of ANY sort of eternity. Eternity, no matter how great it is, will get old fast.

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19-06-2011, 07:30 PM
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
(19-06-2011 07:03 PM)Parture Wrote:  hughsie,

God does forgive you that's why He died on the cross for the sins of the world, but since you refuse His forgiveness by refusing what He did for you, then you will go to Hell as you wish in your heart of hearts. You want a god that is not righteous, but a righteous God requires the punishment for sin. You want to be selfish and saved, but God wants selfless people saved. Why do you want to be so selfish? Even in society we lock some people up for life for good reason. How can God's standards be less than our own?

Are you advancing society but continuing in a lie? Of course not. Man can not be saved by works because no works can stand up to God's greatness, hence, salvation is by faith.

God foresaw the problem of sin and provided the solution. Why do you shut your mind down to this?

Free will is not truly free will if Adam and Eve did not have the choice to go with Satan. Why do you prefer less than being made in God's image?

There is no way around being born in the flesh. I trust you know how procreation works. Hence, all that is born of the flesh is flesh. Why do you want some fantasy model? Come back to reality.

The knowledge of God is not dependent on how much scientific knowledge you have, for it is easy enough to know God exists by simply looking at the mountains and stars to know God did it and to know something can't come from nothing and infinite regress is impossible, so nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space being uncreated.

Why is Jesus is not here now? Why did He pick the time when He entered His creation 2000 years ago? Becaus that was the perfect time. Presumably if He came today instead for 2000 years people would not have this wonderful blessing of His death on the cross. Why should he favor you now with more knowledge yet you still reject Him? Blessed He says are those who haven't seen Him and believe. Jesus was murdered showing how men like you don't want Him around, so He shows mankind how we can't do it on our own without Him, thus He will return during the Great Tribulation (Armageddon), but He doesn't return for your sake but for the sake of His elect. Praise the Lord!

The greatest sin of all is to reject God. God wants to be with those who love Him, so how would that work to allow people such as yourself to corrupt the presence of His people with your sin?

The empirical evidence proves God's existence, so shutting your mind down to this fact is a sin. If you complain about going to Hell yet reject God and you can't be with God because God can't have you in His presence because you prefer your hostility, you are asking God to be urnighteous towards you by not sending you to Hell for eternity. There is only two places. The New City and Hell. You have made your choice so why complain about it?

You aren't answering my questions.

I get what you are saying about forgiveness, but why for God to forgive those who ask did Jesus have to die. God could have forgiven those 'good Christians' who asked WITHOUT the need for Jesus' death.

God created his 'solution' to sin 4000 years after sin was created, seems a little late to me.

Gods 'free will' offer to Adam and Eve was symbolic at best as when he gave them the choice he already knew they would fail.

Babies are born with original sin according to you, seems unfair that they are burdened with the sins of their ancestors. Also would that mean that you only need one atheist ancestor to go to hell as according to this sin is hereditary?

You cannot look at the mountains and stars and conclude the Christian God any more than you can conclude Zeus, FSM, etc.

God appeared in more ways than Jesus, that wasn't what I was asking. If you actually read the OT you will see that God was constantly appearing to anyone and everyone and constantly performing various miracles, why has he suddenly stopped?

It is truly Christian of you to class atheism as a bigger sin than paedophilia, rape, murder, genocide.

I don't complain about going to hell as I don't believe it exists.

Best and worst of Ferdinand .....
Best
Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
Worst
Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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19-06-2011, 07:41 PM
 
RE: Unless You Believe Who I Say I Am You Will Die in Your Sins - John 8.24
(19-06-2011 07:17 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  I'm done with you, here's a promise Parture, if you're right I'll laugh at you from hell while you stand around giving praise to the lord for all eternity. Not that you're right =p But there's your just in case. I would never want to be anywhere near that horrendous figure described in your book.
I have given the proof, so I am right and you are wrong, but you refuse to deal with the proof given, shutting your mind down. So of course you are wrong, but you won't be able to see me when you are in Hell. The Bible says I will no longer shed a tear for you and you will be forgotten as you live out eternity in the Lake of Fire.

I would never want to be near horrendous people like you and praise God I won't have to be. Since God is righteous, holy and true, and you call Him horrendous, just think how decrepit you are and how horrible a person you are that you call righteous the opposite. God hates that sin that sin of bearing false witness. Satan is the great accuser but he too like you can't back up his accusation. This is what makes you and the Devil quite alike.
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