Upgrading the God Concept
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15-12-2011, 10:01 PM (This post was last modified: 15-12-2011 10:05 PM by houseofcantor.)
RE: Upgrading the God Concept
I'm thinking it's story time. Wink

It's like reality is a world enshrouded in an atmosphere of inevitability, evil, futility; kill or be killed. No one can charge the world, no one can fix what is broken, no one can slow the impending decline and collapse of civilization. No one thinks that humanity is worth preserving, even if it could be done.

I do not live in that reality. I'm big-picture guy. I see number, evolution, emergence; this, the dawning of the fourth age. I am 4, Jedi; a sunbeam glimpsed through the oppressive cloud cover in a passing moment.

Which is to say; Girly, I definitely understand your frustration. Remember that song, 99 beers on the wall? Shit gets you down, hum a few bars; like this...

99 monkeys... Wink
(15-12-2011 09:33 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(15-12-2011 08:05 PM)Ben Wrote:  I'd never heard of biocentrism before, but from what I read on the Wikipedia page it sounds exactly like a theory I've had for a while: That maybe just the possibility of a universe in which a living consciousness could organize itself naturally actually causes the existence of that universe... I wouldn't say I actually "believe" it, but it's definitely a really interesting idea worthy of looking into. Tongue

Wow, only here for 1 day and I already learn something new! Cool

No, that's just crazy talk.

You wouldn't be slandering the mentally disabled, would you? As Title 19, I could prolly sue! Big Grin

That's crazy talk. But if you're interested, and bored someday; you might want to check out the contribution of the insane to your nice, sane, civilized world. Which wouldn't be, without fucks like Cantor. Cool

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16-12-2011, 12:23 AM
RE: Upgrading the God Concept
(14-12-2011 09:23 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Mr. Woof's Degrading the God Concept thread reminded me of my first post here: I used to be an atheist. And I've been taking every opportunity to proselytize biocentrism ever since. ... with like almost zero response. To paraphrase the immortal Walt Kelly paraphrasing Oliver Hazard Perry, "We have met this God, and it is us."

As weird and impossible as it sounds biocentrism could be the "us factor" and the "they factor" finding "ourselves" through inconcievable polarised states, onward and onward forever more>>>>>>>>>>>>> &<<<<<<<<<<.Undecided

Will check out your original post.
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16-12-2011, 01:03 PM (This post was last modified: 16-12-2011 01:07 PM by Starcrash.)
RE: Upgrading the God Concept
(15-12-2011 06:43 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(14-12-2011 11:40 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  Note: I just noticed your handy link, and yes, I looked it up. It looks like a belief in The Matrix.

Except for the part about us creating reality instead of it being fed to us by computer algorithms feeding off of us for power.

That's just nit-picking, as far as I'm concerned. How would a person go about testing the idea that reality is in our minds, when we have to use our minds in order to process any test results?

Bertrand Russell suggested that we could've come into being five minutes ago with fully-formed memories, holes in our socks, and hair that needs cutting - but he dismissed it based on its untestability (nontestableness? detestification? I don't know the proper word). I'd rank bio-centrism with that claim, something that would be interesting if true but impossible to verify.

Although if we're throwing out alternative "God concepts", I like Scott Adams' take on it in Dilbert, that God is our future rather than our past, created by the internet. - http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1996-02-11/

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16-12-2011, 01:24 PM
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(15-12-2011 10:01 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  That's crazy talk. But if you're interested, and bored someday; you might want to check out the contribution of the insane to your nice, sane, civilized world. Which wouldn't be, without fucks like Cantor. Cool

Wow! What ever gave you the idea that I think this is a "nice, sane, civilized world"?
Or that I think I inhabit one?

I only wish we lived in a nice, sane, civilized world. Of course, if we did, this forum wouldn't exist.

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16-12-2011, 02:53 PM (This post was last modified: 16-12-2011 03:08 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Upgrading the God Concept
(16-12-2011 01:03 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  
(15-12-2011 06:43 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(14-12-2011 11:40 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  Note: I just noticed your handy link, and yes, I looked it up. It looks like a belief in The Matrix.

Except for the part about us creating reality instead of it being fed to us by computer algorithms feeding off of us for power.

That's just nit-picking, as far as I'm concerned. How would a person go about testing the idea that reality is in our minds, when we have to use our minds in order to process any test results?

It's not saying that reality is in our minds, more like consciousness collapses probability waves by virtue of observation. We make the world manifest when we look at it.

And there's some empirical evidence to support this. Confirmation of Wheeler's Delayed Choice Experiment being one recent example.

But yup. "Critics have questioned whether the theory is falsifiable. Lanza has argued that future experiments, such as scaled-up quantum superposition, will either support or contradict the theory."

By the way, this dude is no goofy stoner making shit up from his couch. He's one of the top stem-cell researchers on the planet. Dunno what that has to do with cosmology or how dude got involved with it, just pointing out that he is quite rational and knows what's involved with a reasoned argument and theory.

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16-12-2011, 03:06 PM
RE: Upgrading the God Concept
I agree with Girly on this one, but man if I didn't get a good laugh out of a Dilbert comic for the first time ever.

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16-12-2011, 11:21 PM
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(16-12-2011 02:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And there's some empirical evidence to support this. Confirmation of Wheeler's Delayed Choice Experiment being one recent example.

That is truly interesting. I've heard of another scientific experiment which displays similar results, one in which test subjects were given a choice of picking two curtains, one which hid a blank screen behind it and another that displayed porn, and there was an increased chance in picking the screen with porn behind it.

(If you think this sounds familiar, it's probably because you watch The Colbert Report)

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16-12-2011, 11:32 PM
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(16-12-2011 11:21 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  
(16-12-2011 02:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And there's some empirical evidence to support this. Confirmation of Wheeler's Delayed Choice Experiment being one recent example.

That is truly interesting. I've heard of another scientific experiment which displays similar results, one in which test subjects were given a choice of picking two curtains, one which hid a blank screen behind it and another that displayed porn, and there was an increased chance in picking the screen with porn behind it.

(If you think this sounds familiar, it's probably because you watch The Colbert Report)

Diminishment doesn't equal invalidation, ... fool.

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17-12-2011, 01:32 AM
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(16-12-2011 11:32 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Diminishment doesn't equal invalidation, ... fool.

I don't know why you think I'm diminishing your argument. I actually took it quite seriously.

And it's Mr. Fool to you.

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17-12-2011, 01:41 AM
RE: Upgrading the God Concept
I'm another one of those crazies who discussed bio centrism with you girly =p I should probably make a thread on my funness.Animistic atheism is just one of those beasts you can't make hide nor hair of. Really even if I made a thread it's one of those things where each ember holds their own view. Both of those words kinda mean potluck. =p

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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