Poll: What is your opinion of Vaccines/Vaccine Policy?
Vaccines saved the world. Bring them on.
I don't entirely trust big pharma, but vaccines have done more good than harm.
Some vaccines are effective and useful. Some are not.
Vaccines are of questionable value, like many pharmaceuticals, but I might want one if an epidemic hits.
Vaccines cause more health problems than they prevent. Parents and individuals should have the right to refuse any/all of them.
Vaccines are part of a population-reduction conspiracy on the part of the global elite and are intended to sterilize/kill as many as possible.
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27-04-2014, 07:48 PM
Vaccine (Public Health) Policy Needs to Be Challenged
I am an atheist and a journalist. I also happen to feel that there are very few conspiracies that amount to anything but greedy capitalists doing whatever they think is necessary to maintain business as usual.

So when I say that vaccines are far more dangerous than we are being told, please understand that I very much wish it was otherwise. It was only after doing many months of research and reading hundreds of PubMed and PLoS studies that I had to admit that something is up with vaccines. Those who develop them know all too well that they cause autism, SIDS, diabetes, MS, arthritis, asthma, and any number of other syndromes and diseases, but there is no chance in hell of them ever admitting it or letting on that more people now die or suffer morbidity from vaccine-induced health problems than would die if we stopped vaccinating and encouraged better diet and exercise (which would not keep the medical industry massively profitable).

It's a conundrum for someone like me, who thinks the human race mostly sucks and needs to be reduced by half. I just don't happen to believe that shutting off gene transcription and protein synthesis by means of injected epigenetic reactants in vaccines is the best means of accomplishing that goal.

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27-04-2014, 07:59 PM
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If a mod could edit poll option number 2 to read "pharma", that would be cool. Spellcheck will be the end of us all.
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27-04-2014, 08:07 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2014 09:05 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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You actually think that the National Academy of Pediatrics would not come out in favor of the anti-vaccers, if there were any real evidence that they are harmful. THEY are not being financially remunerated for their collective stance.

This nonsense is not peer-reviewed, and there is no evidence vaccines are generally harmful. You are not competent to say anything on the subject. Interviewing a couple people is not "research".

Parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids should be required to sign disclosure forms, and disclose to ALL the parents of the other children they put at risk their actions, and agree to PAY for "outbreaks" in classrooms, OR their kids should NOT be allowed in regular schools.

No major academic Pediatric Department OR Dept of Epidemiology agrees with this bullshit. It's nonsense. Big Pharma is far from "innocent".
Vaccines are not one of their bad acts.

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27-04-2014, 08:25 PM
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You clearly have not read all pf the peer-reviewed studies I did include in my research. As a result of years of reading such studies, and of my capacity for critical thought, I am qualified to comment, yes.

As for whether or not the National Academy of Pediatrics would come out against vaccines, you have to consider the entire paradigm. What corporations/families fund the National Academy of Pediatrics? Who funds and therefore influences the dominant philosophies and practices taught at the medical schools those pediatricians attended? Were they taught to think critically about the use of pharmaceuticals when nutritional or other therapies might be less risky? Do they receive incentives for high vaccination and drug prescription rates?

Until you have some idea of the answers to those questions, you will likely continue to think the Academy is full of honest and saintly people who only care about babies.
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27-04-2014, 08:33 PM
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(27-04-2014 08:25 PM)Magellan35 Wrote:  You clearly have not read all pf the peer-reviewed studies I did include in my research. As a result of years of reading such studies, and of my capacity for critical thought, I am qualified to comment, yes.

As for whether or not the National Academy of Pediatrics would come out against vaccines, you have to consider the entire paradigm. What corporations/families fund the National Academy of Pediatrics? Who funds and therefore influences the dominant philosophies and practices taught at the medical schools those pediatricians attended? Were they taught to think critically about the use of pharmaceuticals when nutritional or other therapies might be less risky? Do they receive incentives for high vaccination and drug prescription rates?

Until you have some idea of the answers to those questions, you will likely continue to think the Academy is full of honest and saintly people who only care about babies.

You wouldn't know a critical thought if it bit you on the ass. You are a quack/charlatan. IF any ONE real academic pediatrician actually could prove the crap you spout, he/she would get a Nobel Prize in Medicine. THAT alone is reason enough for someone with REAL evidence to act.

In fact, this is the damage to the world's health, nut jobs like you are doing.
http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/01/25/...e-diseases

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27-04-2014, 08:42 PM (This post was last modified: 27-04-2014 08:48 PM by Tartarus Sauce.)
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No it doesn't need to be challenged because all supposed reports that detail vaccination's links to various health problems have been little more than irresponsible bullshit.

Even if it was true that there were some health risks associated with vaccines, the sheer number of threatening diseases they inoculate us from would be well worth the risk.

Dumb stance if it's true, dumb stance if it isn't. Not worth considering either way.

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27-04-2014, 08:43 PM
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Thanks for calling me names. That proves that you are right. Brilliant.

Look, if you want to prove a point, make a statement like, "Vaccines are awesome. They got rid of smallpox, " or something. I can respond to that.

But saying that some authority you respect endorses your opinion has absolutely nothing to do with what happens inside a cell, tissue or organ when a foreign compound is introduced. That can only be established in the lab. If you want to discuss cellular metabolism, cool. But stop calling me names; it just makes you seem petty and incapable of defending a real opinion.
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27-04-2014, 08:46 PM
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(27-04-2014 08:43 PM)Magellan35 Wrote:  Look, if you want to prove a point, make a statement like, "Vaccines are awesome. They got rid of smallpox, " or something. I can respond to that.

No, you can't, because the response is "yes, they sure did, and alleviated incomparable amounts of human suffering".

Remind me again why we should stop doing that?

(27-04-2014 08:43 PM)Magellan35 Wrote:  But saying that some authority you respect endorses your opinion has absolutely nothing to do with what happens inside a cell, tissue or organ when a foreign compound is introduced. That can only be established in the lab. If you want to discuss cellular metabolism, cool. But stop calling me names; it just makes you seem petty and incapable of defending a real opinion.

Oh, does deranged conspiratorial masturbating not count as name-calling? 'Cause you had some pretty good slander along those lines in the OP.

Protip: "lol conspiracy" is not an answer.

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27-04-2014, 09:08 PM (This post was last modified: 28-04-2014 08:37 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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1. http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...ccination/
2. http://www.asatonline.org/resources/articles/vaccines
3. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/smar...us-maxvax/
4. http://www.immunize.org/journalarticles/
5. http://omicsonline.org/vaccines-vaccination.php
6. http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/06/va...e-riders-1
7. http://thesoapboxrantings.blogspot.com/2...ccers.html
8. http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/333...ti-vaccers
9. http://www.rationalskepticism.org/genera...11352.html
10. http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/anti-vacc...at-to-say/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...=fbfanpage
11. http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/04/six...yre-wrong/
12. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/...d-measles/

Respond to these. You already ignored the one I posted above, and the danger you are creating with this junk-science. You clearly are no scientist, immunologist, virologist, or have any expertise in medicine, (adult or pediatric).
Your pretense (strawman) that discussing what goes on in some cells, in some people, may in some circumstances, have adverse effects is irrelevant. The evidence is clear. The benefits FAR outweighs the risks.
Why is it, just because we are skeptical of religious claims, nut cases continue to come here thinking we will accept any sort of bullshit "they alone" have discovered ?

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27-04-2014, 09:08 PM (This post was last modified: 27-04-2014 09:24 PM by Magellan35.)
RE: Vaccine (Public Health) Policy Needs to Be Challenged
By the way, I've seen the link you posted many times before. It is the worse kind of fear-mongering and twisting of data, of the sort that is becoming more and more common in the Disinformation Age.

Whenever there is an outbreak of infectious disease, if we are to learn anything of value we need an open discussion of mortality rates and an honest look at socioeconomic, nutritional, environmental, and other factors that may have amplified the severity of symptoms and/or contributed to a fatality. We can also compare:

- Numbers of vaccinated sick to unvaccinated sick and the relative severity of their symptoms

- Differences between vaccine-induced immunity and immunity acquired through exposure to wild pathogens

- Mother-infant transmission of antibodies

- Unforeseen side-effects of successful vaccination campaigns — such as delayed exposure of a population to mumps and varicella-zoster (chicken pox), which can – and often does – result in sterility for adolescent boys (from mumps) and shingles (from varicella) for adults.

The fact is that you would be shocked how many outbreaks now are the result of vaccine failure or adaptation of the pathogen, and NOT due to those who refuse vaccinations.

Also, how is herd immunity anything but a failed hypothesis when most teens and adults are years or decades past the due date for booster shots? Are we to believe it is only babies and young children who spread disease? Come on, adults who haven't been vaccinated for decades are all over the place, and we aren't all dead as a result, which is just one evidence that microbes are not anything close to deadly for everyone exposed.

Consider the fact that we are composed of more microbes than human cells. The ridiculous fear of germs that is sold to us deflects attention from the fact that Americans have some of the worst health in the world and are one of the most vaccinated populations.
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