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Some vaccines are effective and useful. Some are not.
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05-05-2014, 11:09 AM
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(05-05-2014 10:16 AM)Magellan35 Wrote:  How many people infected with polio actually become sick? 5%.

You missed the very next sentence: the other 95% are still infected and shed virus particles. They can still transmit the disease.

Quote:You might give some thought to why a serious pathogen for some is inconsequential for others, in light of the fact that one (likely sickly) asshole on this forum has mocked me for suggesting that 'vegetables prevent illness'. I didn't say it in those words, but it is nonetheless true.

No it isn't true. Good nutrition will help one's resistance, but it does not make one immune.

Quote:Is there an effective non-drug therapy for polio? Yes. High dose vitamin C absolutely wipes out polio. Why is that not the number one treatment being used internationally?

I don't know, but I suspect it's because we're stupid animals who think we're not.

Orthomolecular medicine is fringe science and there is no independent support for the vitamin C 'cure'.

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05-05-2014, 11:10 AM
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(05-05-2014 11:01 AM)Chas Wrote:  Your entire post is irrelevant. I was rebutting the statement that no one gets smallpox or polio anymore.

(04-05-2014 04:40 PM)Foxen Wrote:  Irrelevant in comparison to the flu, considering that one can no longer contract polio or smallpox.
Ah, that wasn't immediately apparent from the order in which the posts were quoted. In that case I was a huge dick in my response, and I sincerely apologize for my misunderstanding of to whom you were responding.
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05-05-2014, 11:20 AM
RE: Vaccine (Public Health) Policy Needs to Be Challenged
(05-05-2014 11:09 AM)Chas Wrote:  You missed the very next sentence: the other 95% are still infected and shed virus particles. They can still transmit the disease.

Orthomolecular medicine is fringe science and there is no independent support for the vitamin C 'cure'.
Yes, the other 95% shed into the sewer system, and the pathogen can be picked up downstream. There are certainly issues to be addressed in every area of the world where people live in squalor and spread disease due to living conditions that most of us don't even want to look at in photos.

As for the fringe science in question, I am unfamiliar with "orthomolecular medicine" as a philosophy. However, that does not mean that the vitamin C treatment is ineffective. It appears to have been replicated clinically, and I would like to know what happens in the lab, if the experiment has ever been done. I will research the question further.
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05-05-2014, 11:30 AM
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(05-05-2014 11:20 AM)Magellan35 Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 11:09 AM)Chas Wrote:  You missed the very next sentence: the other 95% are still infected and shed virus particles. They can still transmit the disease.

Orthomolecular medicine is fringe science and there is no independent support for the vitamin C 'cure'.
Yes, the other 95% shed into the sewer system, and the pathogen can be picked up downstream. There are certainly issues to be addressed in every area of the world where people live in squalor and spread disease due to living conditions that most of us don't even want to look at in photos.

As for the fringe science in question, I am unfamiliar with "orthomolecular medicine" as a philosophy. However, that does not mean that the vitamin C treatment is ineffective. It appears to have been replicated clinically, and I would like to know what happens in the lab, if the experiment has ever been done. I will research the question further.

No, the other 95% shed the virus everywhere. For example, when a toilet is flushed it creates an aerosol that spreads widely.

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05-05-2014, 11:49 AM
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(05-05-2014 11:30 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 11:20 AM)Magellan35 Wrote:  Yes, the other 95% shed into the sewer system, and the pathogen can be picked up downstream. There are certainly issues to be addressed in every area of the world where people live in squalor and spread disease due to living conditions that most of us don't even want to look at in photos.

As for the fringe science in question, I am unfamiliar with "orthomolecular medicine" as a philosophy. However, that does not mean that the vitamin C treatment is ineffective. It appears to have been replicated clinically, and I would like to know what happens in the lab, if the experiment has ever been done. I will research the question further.

No, the other 95% shed the virus everywhere. For example, when a toilet is flushed it creates an aerosol that spreads widely.

True. One source also mentioned that mucus needs to be contained and disposed of properly. I would not debate the need to treat polio very carefully, as the 5% of infected who suffer disease symptoms (in Lahore, for example), are unlikely to receive good care or have full recoveries.
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05-05-2014, 01:51 PM
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(05-05-2014 11:09 AM)Chas Wrote:  Orthomolecular medicine is fringe science and there is no independent support for the vitamin C 'cure'.

In the case of mega-dose vitamin C, which is a potent antioxidant, it would appear that the treatment has not been given a fair trial by western medicine, nor have proper peer-reviewed, double-blind, and placebo-controlled studies been performed to confirm the effectiveness of a treatment that would not cost much to implement on a case-by-case basis.

It's clinical use is ongoing, however, with positive results reported.

If you or your child contracted polio, would you try high-dose vitamin C, which is known to have very mild side-effects?
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05-05-2014, 06:43 PM (This post was last modified: 05-05-2014 06:54 PM by Crulax.)
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On a side note, I got vaccinated today against three life threatening and potentially deadly bacterial infections tetanus, diptheria and whooping cough for 15 bucks at my local health center.

I asked if they had a vaccine against bullshit but unfortunately the were all out. Undecided

Onward, my faithful steed!
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05-05-2014, 07:18 PM
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On a side note, I got vaccinated today against three life threatening and potentially deadly bacterial infections tetanus, diptheria and whooping cough for 15 bucks at my local health center.

I asked if they had a vaccine against bullshit but unfortunately the were all out. Undecided
Please quarantine yourself if you have a contagious case of bullshit. If you have something useful to contribute to the discussion, feel free to share.
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05-05-2014, 09:00 PM (This post was last modified: 05-05-2014 11:06 PM by Taqiyya Mockingbird.)
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(05-05-2014 11:01 AM)Magellan35 Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 10:43 AM)Anjele Wrote:  Your mind was made up when you came here. You have no desire for conversation unless that conversation includes someone coming over to your way of looking at vaccinations.

How very pushy, preachy, and close-minded you are.

Much like the theists that come here only to convert.

Perhaps an anti-vax site would better suit you as the people there would already be following your belief.

Or maybe you and vegan boy can get together and live happily ever after.
Ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem strawman strawman....

Let's me get this straight: I'm wrong because I disagree with the majority, and I'm wrong because I'm pushy and won't change my mind in light of dreadfully poor evidence.



No, you're wrong AND your'e pushy AND you won't change your mind in light of being shown that YOUR "evidence" is dreadfully poor.

Quote:If you have evidence to bring to the discussion, or even a well-reasoned opinion about why the current paradigm is great and should not be questioned, I am listening.


Burden of proof isn't ours, fucktard. It's yours and you have failed miserably at it.

Quote:If, on the other hand, you fear

Oh, LOOK -- a STRAWMAN from the bitch who's falsely claiming Anj is strawmanning. Fucking idiot.



Quote:...dissent and the possibility that authorities you trust might make mistakes (no matter how well-intentioned they are) maybe you belong on a Jehovah's Witness forum or some other cult group's site.

Um you must be referring to the Anti-Vax CULT. Hobo

Fucking retard.

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05-05-2014, 09:04 PM
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(05-05-2014 01:51 PM)Magellan35 Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 11:09 AM)Chas Wrote:  Orthomolecular medicine is fringe science and there is no independent support for the vitamin C 'cure'.

In the case of mega-dose vitamin C, which is a potent antioxidant, it would appear that the treatment has not been given a fair trial by western medicine, nor have proper peer-reviewed, double-blind, and placebo-controlled studies been performed to confirm the effectiveness of a treatment that would not cost much to implement on a case-by-case basis.

It's clinical use is ongoing, however, with positive results reported.

If you or your child contracted polio, would you try high-dose vitamin C, which is known to have very mild side-effects?

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