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09-05-2017, 10:02 AM
Vatican celebrates big bang theory to dispel 'science conflict'
The Catholic Church really trying desperately hard to remain relevant in this modern age.

http://www.thejournal.ie/vatican-big-ban...6-May2017/

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09-05-2017, 10:19 AM
RE: Vatican celebrates big bang theory to dispel 'science conflict'
Science is leading the RCC around by a nose ring.

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Soon they’ll even declare that evolution is true...wait, they did that already.
Or they might pardon Galileo..., wait, they that that as well.
Or they might announce that gods don’t exist... Smile

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09-05-2017, 10:30 AM (This post was last modified: 09-05-2017 10:48 AM by sea_tiger.)
RE: Vatican celebrates big bang theory to dispel 'science conflict'
The statements issued by Vatican or The Pope are tactical,measured and diplomatic .
RCC is making an effort to show itself relevent to the present time.It has to show that it is still a spiritual guide to humanity and doesn't conflict with the scientific knowledge.

Some quote:
"If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself." — Saint Augustine
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09-05-2017, 10:38 AM
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Quote:Believing merely that God created the big bang means “you’ve reduced God to a nature god, like Jupiter throwing lightning bolts. That’s not the God that we as Christians believe in,” he said.
Christians, he said, believe in a supernatural God who is responsible for the existence of the universe, while “our science tells us how he did it”.

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09-05-2017, 10:38 AM
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(09-05-2017 10:30 AM)sea_tiger Wrote:  "If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself." — Saint Augustine

In other words, it's better to be safe and reject it all -- ?

Huh
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09-05-2017, 10:46 AM
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(09-05-2017 10:38 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:30 AM)sea_tiger Wrote:  "If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself." — Saint Augustine

In other words, it's better to be safe and reject it all -- ?

Huh

I just found this quote interesting that's all.No intent here.
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09-05-2017, 10:55 AM
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(09-05-2017 10:02 AM)Marozz Wrote:  The Catholic Church really trying desperately hard to remain relevant in this modern age.

http://www.thejournal.ie/vatican-big-ban...6-May2017/

I think it wasn't until the Vatican was shown a picture of the earth from space that they "officially" recognized the earth as a globe and not flat. They have always been Johny come lately's.

BUT to be fair, there is not one religion worldwide, that does not have followers who try to either deny parts of science and when that doesn't work, try to argue it matches their club.

If you do a simple google search of ANY religion and add the word science after that label, you will find every religion tries to retrofit science after the fact.

Seriously try it. GOOGLE these combos, you will find links to every religion trying to debunk science or co opt science.

Christian Science
Jewish Science
Buddhist Science
Muslim Science
Hindu Science

Yes the Vatican has a horrible history of being late to modern reality, but there are pockets of every religion who try to cherry pick science to get it to conform to modern scientific knowledge after the fact. It is retrofitting regardless and it doesn't work. But Catholics are not the only religion to try this.

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09-05-2017, 11:03 AM
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(09-05-2017 10:55 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Yes the Vatican has a horrible history of being late to modern reality, but there are pockets of every religion who try to cherry pick science to get it to conform to modern scientific knowledge after the fact. It is retrofitting regardless and it doesn't work. But Catholics are not the only religion to try this.

While religions try to coopt science, science has no need to coopt religions.
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09-05-2017, 11:08 AM
Vatican celebrates big bang theory to dispel 'science conflict'
What bunch of old man in dresses thinks of science matters not.

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09-05-2017, 11:31 AM
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(09-05-2017 11:03 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:55 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Yes the Vatican has a horrible history of being late to modern reality, but there are pockets of every religion who try to cherry pick science to get it to conform to modern scientific knowledge after the fact. It is retrofitting regardless and it doesn't work. But Catholics are not the only religion to try this.

While religions try to coopt science, science has no need to coopt religions.

Humans have evolved with narcissism including scientists whom at the same time hold a degree. It is not impossible for a scientist to hold a religious position.

Having said that, it is a huge fallacy by even those with a science degree and a religious position, that they overlap, or are "separate but equal".

The only fair thing one can say about a scientist with a religion, is that the ethical ones leave their religion out of the lab.

When I see posts like this, I like to promote three very important books that debunk the notions that science and religion can mix, or that science and religion are separate but equal.

1. The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins
2. God The Failed Hypothesis, Victor Stenger

But this last one, goes into why "overlapping Magisteria" or "separate but equal" are bad arguments.

3. The New Atheism, Victor Stenger

The title of the last one is misunderstood by theists. It is not talking about a political movement, but just that there is nothing new about skepticism or lack of god belief.

Especially the last book, Victor argues that science DOES have something to say about God/god/s claims.

He rightfully argues, that even if you cannot see something directly, you can see what that real thing is doing because of the affect it has on the things you do see. We cannot physically see directly into a black hole, but because of QM, and our ability to see the affects of what lies outside the event horizon, we can paint a picture of what is most likely going on to the material sucked in.

The horrible argument theists often use is "you cant see air, but you know it is there". Humans once claimed a god named Thor caused thunder and lightening. Humans once claimed an Ocean god named Poseidon caused both bad and good conditions while on bodies of water. We do know now what our atmosphere is made of, and we now know what atoms and protons and electrons are now, and that is a chemical explanation for the air we breath, on top of being able to see the wind move leaves and even bend trees when strong enough.

Our scientific technology is so advanced and sensitive now that we have tools that can measure gravity waves from a black hole that began 3 billion years ago.

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