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05-06-2013, 07:55 PM
RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 07:34 PM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 04:31 PM)mysterics Wrote:  Vegetarian, absolutely, I feel we must minimize our harmful impact on other life if we are to be truly mindful and peaceful, if violence can be avoided it should be. As athiests we are not so arrogant to believe the other creatures were put there for us.

We are no different then any other animal. What about your house cat"s harmful impact on that bird he scarfed down?

Bird deserved it after all those worms he slaughtered.

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05-06-2013, 08:15 PM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2013 08:35 PM by GirlyMan.)
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05-06-2013, 09:07 PM
RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 07:55 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 07:34 PM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  We are no different then any other animal. What about your house cat"s harmful impact on that bird he scarfed down?

Bird deserved it after all those worms he slaughtered.





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05-06-2013, 09:11 PM
RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 09:07 PM)TheBlackKnight Wrote:  
(05-06-2013 07:55 PM)Chas Wrote:  Bird deserved it after all those worms he slaughtered.





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05-06-2013, 09:23 PM
RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 12:46 PM)Stephen Charchuk Wrote:  
(14-04-2013 09:08 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  I was a lifelong meat and potatoes kind of guy up until recently. Or as Erx said, meat and meat with a side of meat and some sausage gravy on top. I don't mind vegetables, in fact there are some I really like and a few I don't but I just never made it a point to eat a lot of fruits and veggies.

Since I drank smoked and, well anything and everything else that you're not supposed to do for health reasons for my whole life, I've now had to slow down and think about whether or not I want to live past 50, so I've changed my diet completely. I quit milk, which was third to beer and coffee as my favorite drinks, I rarely eat cheese and I've cut my meat intake down to almost nothing.

To be honest, it hasn't been that difficult and given how much better I feel now, I'm not sure I could ever go back to eating like I used to. There has been only one drawback to this change of diet and that's covered in the FARTS thread... I've always been quite proud of my ability to clear a room but now, I can clear a room I'm alone in.

As for the ethical reasons, I've long since had a problem with how livestock is treated, although through my younger days I just plugged my ears, covered my eyes and acted like nothing was happening. I can't do that any more. I don't have any problems with killing animals for food and I don't see humans doing it any differently than animals do it. In fact, short of the process by which veal is slaughtered, I can't imagine a cow going through more agony being shot in the head than a gazelle goes through when being chased, attacked and eaten alive by a lion. Or a group of them. Of course, the environment they're raised in until slaughter is often incredibly inhumane and that's what I take issue with. I have a keen interest in the welfare of animals, so moving away from eating meats has bonus for me on top of the health benefits.

In the end, humans aren't built to consume as much meat as we consume today. We have some shitty little canine teeth and our eyes face forward but that's about all we have in common with carnivores. Our digestive tract and the chemicals it produces are made to digest plant matter with the occasional bit of meat here and there. Just think of being a puny little human in the wild... with only a rock and a stick with which to slay your dinner. Plants are definitely the easier (and safer) choice.

I've read a little bit on the paleo diet and from what I've learned, those who follow it are very happy and very healthy, although I'm not sure I'm prepared to be that devoted. Unsure

It's not just meat we consume too much nowadays. It's everthing. We produce too much food.

Huh??? We produce too much food? Next, I'll wind up in a thread where someone is lamenting overpopulation and mass starvation...


Which the fuck is it? Do have to much or too little? I'm so confused.... Confused

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05-06-2013, 09:42 PM
RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 09:23 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Huh??? We produce too much food? Next, I'll wind up in a thread where someone is lamenting overpopulation and mass starvation...

Which the fuck is it? Do have to much or too little? I'm so confused.... Confused

We do produce too much food. It's transportation that's the issue. Population distribution is totally not correlated with agricultural productivity.
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06-06-2013, 05:59 AM
Re: RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 09:23 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  Huh??? We produce too much food? Next, I'll wind up in a thread where someone is lamenting overpopulation and mass starvation...


Which the fuck is it? Do have to much or too little? I'm so confused.... Confused

Yes, you are very confused. That is apparent from the start. Maybe you're not getting enough Proper DHA for your brain? In the West we produce far too much food and consume it as well. This is not just too much meat, as was implied, but all foodstuffs as well and it has impacted our health in general. The irony is that 90% of the rest of the world doesn't produce enough food and this to has impacted their health as well. Having too much food is just as bad as not having enough in many ways. Its a paradox. This makes the vegetarian agenda less valid, much less valid.

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06-06-2013, 06:03 AM
Re: RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 07:55 PM)Chas Wrote:  Bird deserved it after all those worms he slaughtered.

Yes, it's called the food chain and it is better to be at, or near, the top of it. Even plants are living things.

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06-06-2013, 06:08 AM
Re: RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 09:11 PM)Chas Wrote:  LR-308?

The rifle? I think that it would be more sporting with a bow. My oldest brother use to go with a musket as well. You can hunt earlier as well with these two than with a modern firearm.

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06-06-2013, 08:29 AM (This post was last modified: 06-06-2013 08:36 AM by Stephen Charchuk.)
Re: RE: Vegetarian Athiests
(05-06-2013 09:42 PM)cjlr Wrote:  We do produce too much food. It's transportation that's the issue. Population distribution is totally not correlated with agricultural productivity.

The USA alone wastes up to 40% of its foodstuffs as well.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/22/40-...port-says/

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