Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
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28-04-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Lightbulb Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
The purpose of me posting this is to vet it and work out the kinks. That means there are going to be some kinks, and I may be wrong. The argument may be an epic fail. I don't know at this point. So, I'll start. The idea came to me suddenly on Saturday, April 27, 2013, at 2:40 a.m. Here's the start of it.

Part one: Establishing Axioms

1. If something is unreal, it cannot support something that is real.

That is to say the unicorn's horn cannot be real, if the unicorn is not real. The ground the unicorn walks on cannot be real, if the unicorn is not real. The air around the unicorn cannot be real if the unicorn is not real, and so on.

2. Perception proves its reality.

That is to say that no matter if everything else is an illusion, if the illusion is perceived, that which perceives it must be real.
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28-04-2013, 02:02 PM
RE: Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
If something is unreal... then we're done talking. Big Grin

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28-04-2013, 02:28 PM
RE: Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
And this is proof of god how?

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28-04-2013, 02:38 PM
RE: Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
The first imagining of the unicorn came from a persons mind, within their imagination.

No different than the first person imagining a deity.

It's all in the head. What has been done is the convincing to others it is real. I guess that's why they're both found within the bible.

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28-04-2013, 02:41 PM
RE: Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
Oh, goody, another fuckin' word game 'proof'.
How about evidence, instead? Drinking Beverage

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28-04-2013, 02:44 PM
RE: Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
Read Decartes Egor, this is old...

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28-04-2013, 02:53 PM (This post was last modified: 28-04-2013 03:41 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
(28-04-2013 02:44 PM)nach_in Wrote:  Read Decartes Egor, this is old...
I knew this was going to be something that had been rehashed a million times.
He actually thinks this is new.

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28-04-2013, 02:55 PM
 
RE: Veridican Argument axiom #3
3. The perception of something unreal is either illusion or hallucination.

An illusion is the perception of something unreal presented to that which perceives it. Hallucination is the perception of something unreal generated by that which perceives it.
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28-04-2013, 03:05 PM
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I perceive, therefore it is there.

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28-04-2013, 03:30 PM
RE: Veridican Argument for the Existence of God
1. If something is unreal, it cannot support something that is real.
2. Perception proves its reality.
3. The perception of something unreal is either illusion or hallucination.

fail....

P2 and P3 contradict each other, and do not provide a means for showing what is being perceived as true or false. These perceptions have to undergo a test.

P1 fails because there were and are many theories that have been incorrect but have great utility. That is to say that although they are incorrect their predictive capabilities still make them useful.

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