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30-05-2014, 06:27 PM (This post was last modified: 30-05-2014 06:42 PM by Mathilda.)
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:18 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 06:16 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  I can make a true statement that "The World Trade Centers collapsed on Sept. 10, 2001" and "The World Trade Centers collapsed on Sept. 12, 2001"

Pedantic I know but I am not the one throwing around absolutes.

Neither of those statements are true.

They are true depending on which time zone you live in if you are referring to the dates relative to local events that happened at the time. For example:

"The World Trade Centers collapsed on Sept. 10, 2001 on my 21st birthday"
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30-05-2014, 06:27 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:25 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 06:22 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  i already gave you a definition for "truth". read it.

I read it bozo. I think it's crap. It's a meaningless pile of horseshit, without further clarification. I DO realize "further clarification" to a Presuppositionalist (not unlike yourself) is anathema. And as usual Germey refuses to define anything. Yawn.

i refuse because i have better things to do.
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30-05-2014, 06:27 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 04:11 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 03:12 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Important in regards to achieving what?

A happy life? Financial success? A successful career in science?

"Not necessarily" to the first two, "More so" for the third.

In regards to achieving a true understanding of reality.

What's the true understanding of reality?Thumbsup
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30-05-2014, 06:32 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:27 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 06:18 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  Neither of those statements are true.

They are true depending on which time zone you live in if you are referring to the dates relative to local events that happened at the time. For example:

"The World Trade Centers collapsed on Sept. 10, 2001 on my 21st birthday"

They would be false statements for a person living in the United States.

Anyone who says the towers collapsed in September 2002 would be making a false statement.
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30-05-2014, 06:37 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:27 PM)Leo Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 04:11 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  In regards to achieving a true understanding of reality.

What's the true understanding of reality?Thumbsup

reality as it is and not how you want it to be
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30-05-2014, 06:41 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:32 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 06:27 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  They are true depending on which time zone you live in if you are referring to the dates relative to local events that happened at the time. For example:

"The World Trade Centers collapsed on Sept. 10, 2001 on my 21st birthday"

They would be false statements for a person living in the United States.

Anyone who says the towers collapsed in September 2014 would be making a false statement. Or any other year besides 2001 or any other month besides September.

Just found out that I was wrong about being able to say that the towers could have fallen on September 10th, but you could make the statement about September 12th and the statement could still be true.

Also I think you'll find that the World Trade centre collapsed in the years 5761, 1422, 1380 and 1923.

What's the point that I'm making? A statement that you assumed was absolutely true need not be.
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30-05-2014, 06:44 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:41 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 06:32 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  They would be false statements for a person living in the United States.

Anyone who says the towers collapsed in September 2014 would be making a false statement. Or any other year besides 2001 or any other month besides September.

Just found out that I was wrong about being able to say that the towers could have fallen on September 10th, but you could make the statement about September 12th and the statement could still be true.

Also I think you'll find that the World Trade centre collapsed in the years 5761, 1422, 1380 and 1923.

What's the point that I'm making? A statement that you assumed was absolutely true need not be.


If I were to say you were dead i.e. that all of your biological functions had ceased and you had no pulse, would that be a true statement or a false statement.
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30-05-2014, 06:48 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:44 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  If I were to say you were dead i.e. that all of your biological functions had ceased and you had no pulse, would that be a true statement or a false statement.

I hope that if you ever make that statement that it will be false.
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30-05-2014, 06:48 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:27 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 06:25 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I read it bozo. I think it's crap. It's a meaningless pile of horseshit, without further clarification. I DO realize "further clarification" to a Presuppositionalist (not unlike yourself) is anathema. And as usual Germey refuses to define anything. Yawn.

i refuse because i have better things to do.

And the dog ate my homework.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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30-05-2014, 06:52 PM
RE: Veritas?
(30-05-2014 06:37 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(30-05-2014 06:27 PM)Leo Wrote:  What's the true understanding of reality?Thumbsup

reality as it is and not how you want it to be

How do you determine that ? To a psychotic, what is absolutely true for them (they really DO experience what is not real), is not really true for others. How do you know you are not psychotic ?

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