Very bad news for Republicans (but great news for everyone else)
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19-07-2013, 09:41 PM
RE: Very bad news for Republicans (but great news for everyone else)
I'm glad to see that it pisses of the Republicans

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20-07-2013, 03:03 AM
RE: Very bad news for Republicans (but great news for everyone else)
(18-07-2013 06:07 PM)germanyt Wrote:  So? They still had access to ERs and couldn't be turned away. And it's not like they are paying the bill anyway.

Which would raise the cost of medical care for everyone else. The idea is to give healthcare to everyone.

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20-07-2013, 06:23 PM
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It's absolutely redicilous how taxes and debt is left out of the equation. Healthcare will be cheaper, the price of everything else will go up.

I have an idea, why don't we find non-coercive means to help those who need insurance? Oh, btw, it's not insurance if you pay for pre-existing conditions. You don't drive around without insurance until you get into a 1500$ accident, then pay 100$ in insurance a month after the fact. I understand this is one issue Obamacare is supposed to solve, by FORCING us to pay for insurance from the very beginning.

Instead of giving healthcare away... I'm sorry, forcing everyone to buy the expensive healthcare we have now, why don't we find ways to make healthcare cheaper? (Healthcare does NOT become cheaper just because you make more people buy it).
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21-07-2013, 03:45 AM (This post was last modified: 21-07-2013 03:49 AM by Logica Humano.)
RE: Very bad news for Republicans (but great news for everyone else)
(20-07-2013 06:23 PM)Nemo Wrote:  It's absolutely redicilous how taxes and debt is left out of the equation. Healthcare will be cheaper, the price of everything else will go up.

Please demonstrate to me how this will cause everything else to skyrocket in price. The plan has been in effect for almost 4 years now.

(20-07-2013 06:23 PM)Nemo Wrote:  I have an idea, why don't we find non-coercive means to help those who need insurance? Oh, btw, it's not insurance if you pay for pre-existing conditions. You don't drive around without insurance until you get into a 1500$ accident, then pay 100$ in insurance a month after the fact. I understand this is one issue Obamacare is supposed to solve, by FORCING us to pay for insurance from the very beginning.

The Affordable Care Act allows people with preexisting conditions to change their plans. It also makes it cheaper and less prone to corruption.

(20-07-2013 06:23 PM)Nemo Wrote:  Instead of giving healthcare away... I'm sorry, forcing everyone to buy the expensive healthcare we have now, why don't we find ways to make healthcare cheaper? (Healthcare does NOT become cheaper just because you make more people buy it).

Or how about we do what every other western nation has done: strip defense spending and fund social programs modeled off of Scandinavian welfare systems?

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22-07-2013, 12:19 PM
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(19-07-2013 08:27 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(18-07-2013 04:54 PM)germanyt Wrote:  This plan isn't saving any lives. Everyone who has access to health care now had it before. They just don't get a bill for it now, some pay more, some pay less, and everyone who doesn't qualify for it free is soon going to be forced to buy insurance. I don't have insurance because I don't want to pay for it. I don't get sick and if I did I would either not go to the doctor or bite the bullet and pay uninsured prices. I'm being forced to buy insurance largely in part because a bunch of fat lazy asses don't want to put down the cigarettes and McDonald's.

Hmmm, I wonder how old you are. Give it a few years and things will start breaking and you'll be in deep shit because you have no insurance. You are the one I've been paying super high prices for all these years.

No I am not. I haven't seen a doctor for anything since 2003.

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22-07-2013, 12:19 PM
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(20-07-2013 03:03 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(18-07-2013 06:07 PM)germanyt Wrote:  So? They still had access to ERs and couldn't be turned away. And it's not like they are paying the bill anyway.

Which would raise the cost of medical care for everyone else. The idea is to give healthcare to everyone.

Except that when you give healthcare to people you aren't really increasing the insurance pool.

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22-07-2013, 12:31 PM
RE: Very bad news for Republicans (but great news for everyone else)
(22-07-2013 12:19 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Except that when you give healthcare to people you aren't really increasing the insurance pool.

Low-income groups are subsidized by the government, negating the issue with the risk pool. The only issue with this subsidization is that it will increase the deficit with the amount of corporate welfare and defense spending currently in place.

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22-07-2013, 01:08 PM
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(22-07-2013 12:19 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(19-07-2013 08:27 PM)Dom Wrote:  Hmmm, I wonder how old you are. Give it a few years and things will start breaking and you'll be in deep shit because you have no insurance. You are the one I've been paying super high prices for all these years.

No I am not. I haven't seen a doctor for anything since 2003.

And when you do, you are going to run up a 50,000 bill before you can say "save me please" and there goes all the money I paid for MY future health. Totally unfair, and you should be made to buy insurance. Every other civilized country has the whole population share the burden. Because, sooner or later, you will need it, no matter how well you take care of yourself.

As per my friend Jim, who died at age 32 of Leukemia: "You know, it's just not fair. I take wonderful care of myself, I eat right, I don't smoke, I don't drink, I exercise and all that, and I have to die now. You eat, drink and smoke what you want and you're going to live on. "

That's right, he was right, it's not fair. No one can control their health.

Nor can you. You can help it, but not control it. And I bet you what, you'll end up running up a bill eventually. No one escapes. And that is why you should be forced to pay for yourself. No fair making me pay for you.

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22-07-2013, 01:14 PM
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I think I posted a thread about this, but here is the article again called "million dollar Murray." Yes, it's long. Stop being lazy and read it. You just might learn something.

http://www.gladwell.com/2006/2006_02_13_a_murray.html

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22-07-2013, 01:31 PM
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(22-07-2013 01:08 PM)Dom Wrote:  Nor can you. You can help it, but not control it. And I bet you what, you'll end up running up a bill eventually. No one escapes. And that is why you should be forced to pay for yourself. No fair making me pay for you.

Damn right.

I'm quite a healthy man. I go to the annual or biannual appointments that are covered by my health insurance (doctor, dentist, optometrist, etc), but other than glasses there's nothing wrong with me, and there hasn't been for years. Nonetheless I'm damn glad my tax dollars are going towards healthcare (there's plenty of shit they're wasted on, but not that).

Without the shackles of socialist government death panels (aka, the Ontario Health Insurance Plan), my life would be one of destitute misery. I, and my twin, were born premature; the complications of my mother's pregnancy and delivery, and our subsequent neonatal care would have bankrupted my then-student parents.

Someone more optimistic than me might say I got my medical crisis out of the way early. But the point is that there's hardly anything more beyond my control than the circumstances of my own birth. Virtually everyone will need to use the system at some point - a life without an emergency room visit would be a rare life indeed. Doing so without ever having or intending to pay in in any way is parasitic.

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