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06-08-2015, 06:21 PM
RE: View of the afterlife in Job
(06-08-2015 06:04 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 05:27 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  And yet you post.
yes, I post. I just do not care that you do not want to show me where the Bible says that Yahweh is the FatherSmile

"Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10

"'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
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06-08-2015, 10:45 PM (This post was last modified: 06-08-2015 10:50 PM by Alla.)
RE: View of the afterlife in Job
(06-08-2015 06:21 PM)jennybee Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 06:04 PM)Alla Wrote:  yes, I post. I just do not care that you do not want to show me where the Bible says that Yahweh is the FatherSmile

"Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10

"'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
1)We know from the Bible that there are at least two( at this point I do not want to talk about Holy Ghost) - Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

2)We also know from the Bible that there is only One God.

3)OT says that God is Yahweh. In NT Son or Jesus Christ says that He has His God and His Father.

From this we may conclude that if there is only one God and if Son Jesus Christ called His Father God than Yahweh is Father.

But it says in NT that God Father calls His Son - "God" and says that Son created earth. OT says that Yahweh created this earth.
Questions:
Why would God Father call His Son "God" if there is only one God?
Why would God say that Jesus created the earth when we know that God Yahweh created the earth?

The answer:
There is God Heavenly Father. He has His Son Yahweh Who long time ago didin't have the same glory as His Father has. God Father chose Son Yahweh as a Creator of this Earth and to become a Mediator between Him and us(mortals or children of God Father).
In other words God Father gave to His Son Yahweh ALL authority. Son Yahweh became God of the House of Israel(OT times). He became a Lawgiver to the house of Israel.
When Son Yahweh was speaking to house of Israel it was the same as God the Father would speak to them. Yahweh was a mouthpiece for God the Father.
By worshiping Son Yahweh house of Israel is worshiping God the Father.
When we read words of Son Yahweh: "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me" we read the message(word) of God the Father through His Son Yahweh.

God is not only one person. God is also a union of three Gods or three separate persons who ONE in purpose. One God means one UNION of Gods.
Gods have different glory. God the Father is the most high God among Gods/gods.


P.S. I do not insist that you accept this understanding of the Bible and meaning of words "one God". I am just giving you an opportunity to learn this information.

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06-08-2015, 10:49 PM
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06-08-2015, 11:03 PM
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(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  1)We know from the Bible that there are at least two( at this point I do not want to talk about Holy Ghost) - Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

We know nothing from the Bible. It was written by ignorant ancient people who had no education. It's full of contradictions and errors. It's nothing but political propaganda.

(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  2)We also know from the Bible that there is only One God.

We know nothing of the sort. The Hebrews recognized many gods in the Bible. they agreed (eventually) to worship only one. Yahweh had a wife, and archaeologist s know she was worshipped in Jerusalem, Shiloh and Dan, among other sites.

(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  But it says in NT that God Father calls His Son - "God" and says that Son created earth. OT says that Yahweh created this earth.

Prove it. Chapter and verse.

(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  The answer:
There is God Heavenly Father. He has His Son Yahweh Who long time ago didin't have the same glory as His Father has.

Bullshit. Pure unadulterated bullshit. His son was NEVER called Yahweh. You are a fraud and a liar.

(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  God Father chose Son Yahweh as a Creator of this Earth and to become a Mediator between Him and us(mortals or children of God Father).
In other words God Father gave to His Son Yahweh ALL authority. Son Yahweh became God of the House of Israel(OT times). He became a Lawgiver to the house of Israel.

God's son was never called Yahweh by anyone except you. I provided you a link to LDS doctrine that refutes your ignorant crap. please read it and stop making a fool of yourself.

(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  God is not only one person. God is also a union of three Gods or three separate persons who ONE in purpose. One God means one UNION of Gods.
Gods have different glory. God the Father is the most high God among Gods/gods.

You are drunk or on drugs, right ?

(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  P.S. I do not insist that you accept this understanding of the Bible and meaning of words "one God". I am just giving you an opportunity to learn this information.

The only one who needs to learn here is you. I suggest you start at pre-kinder-garden religion.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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06-08-2015, 11:22 PM
RE: View of the afterlife in Job
(06-08-2015 11:03 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  But it says in NT that God Father calls His Son - "God" and says that Son created earth. OT says that Yahweh created this earth.
Prove it. Chapter and verse.
Sure. I will be glad to provide this information for you
Hebrews 1:
8(God speaks to Son) But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever
9...therefore God, even thy God , hath anointed thee with the oil...
10 thou, Lord, in the beginning HAST LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; and THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF THINE HANDS

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06-08-2015, 11:24 PM
RE: View of the afterlife in Job
(06-08-2015 10:45 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 06:21 PM)jennybee Wrote:  "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10

"'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
1)We know from the Bible that there are at least two( at this point I do not want to talk about Holy Ghost) - Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

2)We also know from the Bible that there is only One God.

3)OT says that God is Yahweh. In NT Son or Jesus Christ says that He has His God and His Father.

From this we may conclude that if there is only one God and if Son Jesus Christ called His Father God than Yahweh is Father.

But it says in NT that God Father calls His Son - "God" and says that Son created earth. OT says that Yahweh created this earth.
Questions:
Why would God Father call His Son "God" if there is only one God?
Why would God say that Jesus created the earth when we know that God Yahweh created the earth?

The answer:
There is God Heavenly Father. He has His Son Yahweh Who long time ago didin't have the same glory as His Father has. God Father chose Son Yahweh as a Creator of this Earth and to become a Mediator between Him and us(mortals or children of God Father).
In other words God Father gave to His Son Yahweh ALL authority. Son Yahweh became God of the House of Israel(OT times). He became a Lawgiver to the house of Israel.
When Son Yahweh was speaking to house of Israel it was the same as God the Father would speak to them. Yahweh was a mouthpiece for God the Father.
By worshiping Son Yahweh house of Israel is worshiping God the Father.
When we read words of Son Yahweh: "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me" we read the message(word) of God the Father through His Son Yahweh.

God is not only one person. God is also a union of three Gods or three separate persons who ONE in purpose. One God means one UNION of Gods.
Gods have different glory. God the Father is the most high God among Gods/gods.


P.S. I do not insist that you accept this understanding of the Bible and meaning of words "one God". I am just giving you an opportunity to learn this information.

I respect your beliefs, however, a clear reading of Isaiah has God stating there will be no one after him. He is the first and the last. This would be a good place for him to mention Jesus, don't you think? He doesn't. He only mentions himself. Additionally, there are several passages in the NT where jesus does not have any authority. God made laws in the OT and jesus even says he did not come to abolish the law and not one jot or tittle should be changed.
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07-08-2015, 02:39 AM
RE: View of the afterlife in Job
(06-08-2015 11:24 PM)jennybee Wrote:  a clear reading of Isaiah has God stating there will be no one after him. He is the first and the last.
An example: if I build my kingdom and I am the first king in this kingdom and I am immortal so I will be the last I can tell my people: there was no other king formed before me. I am the first and the last. I am talking only about my kingdom.
It doesn't mean that I do not have my father who is also a king but somewhere else.
Son Yahweh was talking only about kingdom that His God and His Father let Him to build.
It was not the time yet to reveal that this God Yahweh, God of the house of Israel had His God and His Father and that His God and His Father had His Kingdom somewhere far, far away from the Earth.
(06-08-2015 11:24 PM)jennybee Wrote:  Additionally, there are several passages in the NT where jesus does not have any authority. God made laws in the OT and jesus even says he did not come to abolish the law and not one jot or tittle should be changed.
Time came for Yahweh to become a mortal man to save all people from death and from sins. And this was the time to reveal His God and His Father.
Why did He reveal His Father and His God to the house of Israel when He lived on Earth? That when Jesus tells me: "Follow Me" I can learn from His example what it means to follow Him. The same way He obeyed His God I have to obey Jesus(God Son Yahweh).

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07-08-2015, 02:44 AM
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The Bible can be very confusing. It is very easy to make wrong conclusions. But atheist shouldn't even care about this.
I am sure you do not care about right understanding of the Bible. And it is OK with me.

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07-08-2015, 03:04 AM
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(07-08-2015 02:44 AM)Alla Wrote:  The Bible can be very confusing. It is very easy to make wrong conclusions. But atheist shouldn't even care about this.
I am sure you do not care about right understanding of the Bible. And it is OK with me.

Well we care because you guys tend to say things like "I am jumping off this cliff because Jesus told me to in Hallucinations Chapter 3 verse 15". Anyone would want to say "No, you can't do that, you're crazy, don't jump".

On top of that religious people use the dominance of their religion to force other people to conform when they don't want to, or to make changes in public policy like creationists trying to force religious education. That stuff needs to be opposed.

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07-08-2015, 05:08 AM
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(06-08-2015 11:22 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 11:03 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Prove it. Chapter and verse.
Sure. I will be glad to provide this information for you
Hebrews 1:
8(God speaks to Son) But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever
9...therefore God, even thy God , hath anointed thee with the oil...
10 thou, Lord, in the beginning HAST LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH; and THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF THINE HANDS

Hebrews 1:
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”
8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

Your interpretation is out of context. Nice cherry-picking, sweetie.

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