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30-06-2010, 01:26 AM
 
RE: Views on Jesus
I am always trust in Jesus Christ, He died 2000 years ago on a cross. His father was carpenter. One important thing I read, he was born and died as a normal human.
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30-06-2010, 03:48 AM
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(18-05-2010 05:15 AM)supermanlives1973 Wrote:  If anyone's interested in the historicity of Jesus, etc., YouTube user TAYLORX04 has started a new series:

Jesus Has Left The Building - Part 1 (The Bible)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLC3XZ4FR...eature=sub

my history teacher from basic shool said that theres more proof that jesus existed than that julius cesar existed. its kinda funny that the same techer teaches religion and history.

i think its possible that a guy named jesus existed, but the biblical stories of him dont really make sense. bible says that jesus was born beetlehem when joosef and mary were going to pay taxes there. that means that josef must have owned land in beetlehem. and the closest tax collection to the birth of jesus was after the death of herodes, who according to bible was alive when jesus born. and all the gospels dont tell the same things about same things.

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30-06-2010, 06:05 AM
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Oh, man, this thread is a blast from the past...

"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
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05-07-2010, 11:18 AM
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(30-06-2010 06:05 AM)Unbeliever Wrote:  Oh, man, this thread is a blast from the past...

I almost forgot all about Martin. Kinda miss him.

I don't believe Jesus is the son of God until I see the long form birth certificate!
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05-07-2010, 11:45 AM
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ive heard people who dont believe in jesus being something divine say something like ''he was a great teacher'' of such. i havent orientated myself in the teachings of jesus much, i know that he told to rip off the body parts doing sin (is sin doing something immoral or not obeying the rules of god[the crazy things from old testament]) and the stuff they teached in school. of course in schools they dont teach the nasty parts of the old testament, so why would they teach anything crazy said by jesus?

so, is there a huge documentary, a book or a web page containing all the teaching of jesus, or do i have to start reading my bible again to be able to discuss the teaching of jesus with christians or other people who say his teachings are wise.

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05-07-2010, 11:48 AM
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(05-07-2010 11:18 AM)ashley.hunt60 Wrote:  
(30-06-2010 06:05 AM)Unbeliever Wrote:  Oh, man, this thread is a blast from the past...

I almost forgot all about Martin. Kinda miss him.

Yeah. It's been kinda quiet here ever since he left. Say what you will about him, he gave us something to talk about.

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06-07-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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I hate all these morons who will say "If Jesus was alive here today, he would think {insert belief}"

Unfortunately, this has been coming out of people who share my ideology. Micheal Moore stated in his documentary "Capitalism: A Love Story" that if Jesus was alive today, he'd be a socialist.

Richard Dawkins said (which is quite ridiculous) that if Jesus was alive today, and that if he had been supplied the proper evidence, he would be an atheist.

Yes, there definitely was a man named Jesus who lived roughly 2000 years ago. Not just one man, but probably dozens. There are hundreds who are born each year today who are named Jesus. None of them are magical fairies!

It is just ridiculous that even atheists who don't buy any of the other crap in the Bible buy the existence of the Jesus referred to in the Bible. Am I missing any concrete historical evidence that this specific Jesus Christ mentioned in the Bible lived 2000 years ago and actually walked on water and healed the sick etc....?

Because if there is no concrete evidence of that, than any man named Jesus Christ who lived at that time could be associated with the one in the Bible by Christians trying to find evidence for their beliefs, regardless of the fact that that Jesus Christ could be totally unrelated to the formation of Christianity.

Sure, you could narrow it down to one specific person if there were records of a man named Jesus Christ who was executed by the Romans at roughly around 0 CE, but if he couldn't perform miracles like it states in the Bible, then why buy any of the related philosophical ideas that he supposedly had according to the Bible?

Can someone supply me with reliable historical evidence (evidence independent of the Bible) that a man named Jesus Christ lived around 0 CE, and was executed by the Romans in Jerusalem?

Not to mention that the actual story of Jesus (virgin birth etc...) had been thought up in different areas of the world for hundreds of years before 0 CE.
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06-07-2010, 05:04 PM
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(06-07-2010 03:48 PM)TruthAddict Wrote:  Because if there is no concrete evidence of that, than any man named Jesus Christ who lived at that time could be associated with the one in the Bible by Christians trying to find evidence for their beliefs, regardless of the fact that that Jesus Christ could be totally unrelated to the formation of Christianity.

Sure, you could narrow it down to one specific person if there were records of a man named Jesus Christ who was executed by the Romans at roughly around 0 CE, but if he couldn't perform miracles like it states in the Bible, then why buy any of the related philosophical ideas that he supposedly had according to the Bible?

Can someone supply me with reliable historical evidence (evidence independent of the Bible) that a man named Jesus Christ lived around 0 CE, and was executed by the Romans in Jerusalem?

Not to mention that the actual story of Jesus (virgin birth etc...) had been thought up in different areas of the world for hundreds of years before 0 CE.

some look for jesus christ, usually christians who of course try to find anything to convince people of the perfectinity of faith, then they find someone mentioning something about christ, wich is not the familyname of jesusSmile. there were other prophets at the times of jesus was expexted to live. and their followers told samekinda stories of them healin and stuff.

so we should look for the ''jesus of nasareth''. but how to look someone who lived in the times jesus is told to have liven, when theres not any document saying anything about nasareth from the times jesus was expected to have liven nor before it.

im not a 100% sure about what i say, i dont even remember the sources.
but i didnt want to write only my own message, wich is just a simple and short thought that just came in my mind when listening to the track veriset äpärät, the bloody bastard children.(about parents killing their unwanted children[the song sounds happyRolleyes])

so, lets expect that the jesus of nasareth was true.
wasnt he a bastard child? i mean, josef had never had sex with mary and she becomes pregnant.
i would love to see the face of josef when she told it was ''the holy ghost''Smile

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31-07-2010, 12:02 AM
 
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Hi friends,
I think he had a suite and there is a chance that something strange was happening to his body after he was crucified if it happened.Someone stole it, he has lost someone and threw in a common grave.
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31-07-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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perhaps jesus was a real man and perhaps instead of dying and being resurrected he was just in a coma and woke up one day. i doubt that 2000 years ago this was a common occurrence. all kinds of things could have been misconstrued and misinterpreted since there was no common knowledge of it. what i don't understand is how people can still believe when knowledge about such things is readily available. no one would ever mistake a person coming out of a coma as a resurrection, yet people still believe that it happen to jesus. not to say that jesus was in a coma, but the world is educated on knowing that resurrection just doesn't happen.

this is the best example i care to come up with about how exaggerated the story of jesus is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf29DCji4T8
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