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26-05-2013, 01:30 PM
RE: Viocjit the Agnostic Christian
I think most (myself included) are confused by the simultaneous labels of agnostic (a belief that a god cannot be known if it exists) and Christian (a religion that claims god is not only knowable, but your personal source of salvation). These two views, as far as I can discern, are incompatible.

Based on your other responses, it seems to me that questioning christian may be a more suitable moniker, but I have no authority on such matters.

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26-05-2013, 01:47 PM
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(26-05-2013 01:30 PM)FYAstronomy Wrote:  I think most (myself included) are confused by the simultaneous labels of agnostic (a belief that a god cannot be known if it exists) and Christian (a religion that claims god is not only knowable, but your personal source of salvation). These two views, as far as I can discern, are incompatible.

Based on your other responses, it seems to me that questioning christian may be a more suitable moniker, but I have no authority on such matters.

This is a good question , what is the right therm to denominate myself ?
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26-05-2013, 01:49 PM
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Agnostic Christian is a meaningful combination if you take gnosticism as knowing or not knowing while theism as believing or not believing. It's a pretty common approach to the vocabulary, and should be read as "I believe in God and/or Christian doctrine but can't prove it's true, or if it turned out to be true it would not be completely life-altering".

... but if you do believe, why do you believe?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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26-05-2013, 05:00 PM
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(26-05-2013 01:49 PM)Hafnof Wrote:  Agnostic Christian is a meaningful combination if you take gnosticism as knowing or not knowing while theism as believing or not believing. It's a pretty common approach to the vocabulary, and should be read as "I believe in God and/or Christian doctrine but can't prove it's true, or if it turned out to be true it would not be completely life-altering".

... but if you do believe, why do you believe?

I doubt therefore I don't know really if I believe.
I know , I maybe said something of ridiculous.
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26-05-2013, 05:09 PM
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If you claim to not know if a deity or deities exists, and don't act as though you believe in said deity/ies, generally you are an Agnostic.

Or an agnostic atheist, depending on where you sit on your conception of a deities probability...

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27-05-2013, 11:05 AM (This post was last modified: 27-05-2013 05:40 PM by GirlyMan.)
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I don't find the term "agnostic Christian" anymore troubling than I find "atheist Christian". I think you can follow the teachings and philosophy of the Christ without deifying Jesus or even mentioning God at all. Much the same as you can follow the noble eightfold path without deifying the Buddha. I've said before I think the traditional Christian Sects completely misinterpret the Red Letters and introduce a deity where there is no call for one.

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27-05-2013, 12:25 PM
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"Agnostic Christian" , I reknown that these words are an oxymoron.
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27-05-2013, 12:30 PM
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Anyway...welcome!

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28-05-2013, 07:19 PM
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Echo the welcome.
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30-05-2013, 04:31 PM
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Welcome.

Wanted to say, though, that you're not an "Agnostic Christian". What you have defined is a misnomer.

An "Agnostic Christian" is a Christian who acknowledges that he could be wrong about his faith on the grounds of not being omniscient. An "Agnostic Christian" does not doubt Christianity.

You are a "Doubting Believer".

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