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04-08-2014, 10:14 AM
RE: Voting Tips
(03-08-2014 07:17 PM)Punk Pumpkin Wrote:  Does anybody have any tips for voting in the primary elections? This is my first time voting and I am feeling quite overwhelmed by it all. It also does not help that I live in Arizona, so the majority of candidates are very conservative. I do not consider myself to be a part of any party affiliation....but I think I probably lean more towards Libertarianism.

Punk,

If you lean toward libertarianism, I would consider not participating. I tell my political family members that I have no interest in telling them what to do, but also have no interest in being told what to do by them. Leave me alone. Not surprisingly, they ignore my pleas. And they love government.

There will never be reconciliation between the authoritarian and anti-authoritarian, between those who are entitled and those who produce wealth, between the fundamentalist and the geologist.

I do not watch national news and have no cable, so there is no chance in clicking over to a group of talking heads debating who should have the 53% mandate and who should be the 47% recipient of that wonderful mandate. Not participating frees you up for other endeavors. Politics is simply a stage play with a cast of Democrats and Republicans. Do what I do and watch from a distance.

Please give this some thought. Drive by some polling places every other November and watch the ticket holders line up. Do this a few times and I am confident that you will stay a non-voter.
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04-08-2014, 05:49 PM
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Vote secular: http://www.secular.org.au/

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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04-08-2014, 06:05 PM
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Here is my tip, choose the lesser of the two evils.

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06-08-2014, 02:14 AM
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I don't know Arizona law, Do you have to declare a party side to vote in primaries? Some states you do.

Plus, if you lean libertarian, do you have any knowledge on the libertarian party in your state or do you lean a fondness to teaparty republicans. I would be weary of viewing teaparty backed candidates as libertarian. They've proclaimed a equal footing but most teaparty candidates have shown much social libertarian views on national,levels. They remain just as focused on their societal views as their more authoritarian republican counterparts.

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06-08-2014, 08:36 AM
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(06-08-2014 02:14 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I don't know Arizona law, Do you have to declare a party side to vote in primaries? Some states you do.

Plus, if you lean libertarian, do you have any knowledge on the libertarian party in your state or do you lean a fondness to teaparty republicans. I would be weary of viewing teaparty backed candidates as libertarian. They've proclaimed a equal footing but most teaparty candidates have shown much social libertarian views on national,levels. They remain just as focused on their societal views as their more authoritarian republican counterparts.

I don't have to declare any specific party, but I do have to choose which party ballot I want to receive, in this case I chose Libertarian. I don't know much about the teaparty, but they seem pretty extreme from what I have seen so I don't dig them. There are not really any Libertarians running for anything right now though, so my options are literally red or blue. There are a few Americans Elect running, so maybe I will look into them in more depth.
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06-08-2014, 11:24 AM
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(04-08-2014 10:14 AM)Walter Wrote:  Punk,

If you lean toward libertarianism, I would consider not participating.

Yeah! Because that's how to change things.

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06-08-2014, 03:58 PM
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(06-08-2014 11:24 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 10:14 AM)Walter Wrote:  Punk,

If you lean toward libertarianism, I would consider not participating.

Yeah! Because that's how to change things.

Hobo

Exactly! I want to be able to change things, and I also do not believe in voting for the lesser of 2 evils. I've seen a few people on here say to do that, and that is also what most of my family is encouraging me to do, but I don't buy it.
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06-08-2014, 04:05 PM
RE: Voting Tips
(06-08-2014 03:58 PM)Punk Pumpkin Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:24 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Yeah! Because that's how to change things.

Hobo

Exactly! I want to be able to change things, and I also do not believe in voting for the lesser of 2 evils. I've seen a few people on here say to do that, and that is also what most of my family is encouraging me to do, but I don't buy it.

That's life however. In a 2 party system neither party will 100% represent your view so you pick the one that is the closer fit.

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07-08-2014, 08:32 AM
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Good luck with the elections! You know it can't possibly go well, so enjoy the ride like you would Easter Catholic pilgrimages. Give your vote to the smallest, freest and most secular government party and person you can find, but don't think it is actually doing anything. Not voting is also all right, in that case it's good to start a few heated debates over a dinner party Smile

I think convincing a young couple or a few friends not to spank their children (with Bomb in the Brain) is actually doing more for the future of the country.

I wanted to vote for the Libertarians into the EU parliament this year, but I missed the time to obtain a voting permit, because I wouldn't vote in my home town. Too bad, but they did get their main guy as an Euro-deputy. This is literally the first politically positive thing that happened in my country for 25 years. What he does is educating the EU parliament and public about how economy works.
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07-08-2014, 08:57 AM
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(07-08-2014 08:32 AM)Luminon Wrote:  Good luck with the elections! You know it can't possibly go well, so enjoy the ride like you would Easter Catholic pilgrimages. Give your vote to the smallest, freest and most secular government party and person you can find, but don't think it is actually doing anything. Not voting is also all right, in that case it's good to start a few heated debates over a dinner party Smile

I think convincing a young couple or a few friends not to spank their children (with Bomb in the Brain) is actually doing more for the future of the country.

I wanted to vote for the Libertarians into the EU parliament this year, but I missed the time to obtain a voting permit, because I wouldn't vote in my home town. Too bad, but they did get their main guy as an Euro-deputy. This is literally the first politically positive thing that happened in my country for 25 years. What he does is educating the EU parliament and public about how economy works.

I am mostly wanting to vote because I am 19, and still have not done an "adult" thing. I have not bought cigarettes (because I don't want to), no lottery tickets, porno, no tattoos, so this is really the first legal adult thing I am doing since I turned 18. I'm just gonna try it out, and if I hate it and feel like I am not doing any good, then in the future I probably won't vote. We will see.
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