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19-02-2014, 11:14 AM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
His name alone earned him his nomination, and he lost the popular vote.

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20-02-2014, 02:21 PM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
(19-02-2014 10:54 AM)bemore Wrote:  How does such a "stupid" man like Bush get into power?

It's people like him and Sarah Palin that make me feel less ashamed of having a stupid president in my country too. I think our current stupid president ''Enrique Peña Nieto'' got ellected because women thught he was good looking.

Now why did your stupid get ellected?Tongue

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20-02-2014, 03:03 PM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
(19-02-2014 11:12 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(19-02-2014 10:54 AM)bemore Wrote:  How does such a "stupid" man like Bush get into power?

Connections and money both gained through birth. The same as it has always been.

Doesn't sound like you live in a true democracy Gasp

(then again which country does)

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20-02-2014, 03:09 PM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
(20-02-2014 03:03 PM)bemore Wrote:  
(19-02-2014 11:12 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Connections and money both gained through birth. The same as it has always been.

Doesn't sound like you live in a true democracy Gasp

(then again which country does)

We don't, we live in a Republic.

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20-02-2014, 03:15 PM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
(20-02-2014 03:03 PM)bemore Wrote:  
(19-02-2014 11:12 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Connections and money both gained through birth. The same as it has always been.

Doesn't sound like you live in a true democracy Gasp

(then again which country does)

Yes it is the worst possible system, except all the others.

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20-02-2014, 03:30 PM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
(20-02-2014 03:09 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 03:03 PM)bemore Wrote:  Doesn't sound like you live in a true democracy Gasp

(then again which country does)

We don't, we live in a Republic.

I don't understand American politics. "Republic" and "Democracy" are the same word in Greek (and I'm pretty sure they are the same thing etymologically too).

I'm confused.

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20-02-2014, 03:39 PM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
(20-02-2014 03:30 PM)undergroundp Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 03:09 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  We don't, we live in a Republic.

I don't understand American politics. "Republic" and "Democracy" are the same word in Greek (and I'm pretty sure they are the same thing etymologically too).

I'm confused.

No Athens had a democracy, Rome has a Republic. Subtle differences, but real.

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20-02-2014, 03:40 PM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
Nope, not the same.

A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]

Source: http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm

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20-02-2014, 03:54 PM
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(20-02-2014 03:40 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think.

I don't understand how this is applied in practice and I can see it's the only actual difference (which kinda makes the distinction stupid since the words mean the exact same thing Tongue ).

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20-02-2014, 06:45 PM
RE: Was 9/11 an inside job?
(20-02-2014 03:54 PM)undergroundp Wrote:  
(20-02-2014 03:40 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think.

I don't understand how this is applied in practice and I can see it's the only actual difference (which kinda makes the distinction stupid since the words mean the exact same thing Tongue ).

It's actually night and day, in a Republic the minority opinion (or group) has rights, in a Democracy it does not except by sufferance of the majority.

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