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08-11-2017, 01:26 PM
RE: Was Earmuffs banned?
(08-11-2017 01:18 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  And before you repeat that "he was just joking", try joking about terrorism the next time you're preparing to board an airplane. There are some things that you just don't joke about.
I'm not condoning what Muffs said. Surely he could have been asked/instructed not to make this claim anymore.

If we take a look at the "real" world. We don't need to go much further than Trump. The guy has accused Obama of illegally wiretapping him. He has accused Comey of illegally leaking information. He constantly calls Hillary "Crooked Hillary". People get away with this shit all the time.

If Trump were on this forum and if Hillary were also a member, I'd expect the moderators to warn him about the phrase "crooked Hilary" and ban him if he persisted. I wouldn't expect the moderators to demand an apology and ban him if he refused to comply.

My issue is with the need to publicly apologise. Now, I'm not sure if that is actually what happened. Some I am a bit confused on what happened and why Muffs was banned.
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08-11-2017, 01:29 PM
RE: Was Earmuffs banned?
(08-11-2017 01:23 PM)adey67 Wrote:  Last time I checked two is a multiple of one and this is from a guy (me) with dyscalculia work it out., I'd give it up mate, you're making yourself look more deranged with each post you make on this subject your desire to defend the indefensible and win on an argument is actually hurting you more than you can possibly realise.
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08-11-2017, 01:34 PM
RE: Was Earmuffs banned?
(08-11-2017 01:11 PM)Stevil Wrote:  No not comparing the two. Just pointing out that people say things that are offensive to some.

It's not because it's offensive. It's because it's libel, it's defamation. Falsely accusing someone of being a paedophile has way more of an impact, can do a lot more damage than calling someone a cunt.

(08-11-2017 01:11 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Was Muffs continually posting about paedophilia, or was he willing to stop posting about it when asked? (I presume he was asked to stop posting about paedophilia). Did he continue posting this claim multiple times even when asked to stop?

As far as I know and someone can correct me. He was asked to stop, he got upset and was asked to be banned and got banned because he asked for it.

(08-11-2017 01:14 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I've been accused of being a racist (on this forum) for my stance of opposing racist based policies such as affirmative action.
This person accusing me, didn't get banned or warned as far as I know.

Being racist isn't against the rules. Can't punish someone for breaking a rule that does not exist.

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08-11-2017, 01:40 PM (This post was last modified: 08-11-2017 01:55 PM by adey67.)
RE: Was Earmuffs banned?
(08-11-2017 01:29 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 01:23 PM)adey67 Wrote:  Last time I checked two is a multiple of one and this is from a guy (me) with dyscalculia work it out., I'd give it up mate, you're making yourself look more deranged with each post you make on this subject your desire to defend the indefensible and win on an argument is actually hurting you more than you can possibly realise.
I really don't care if you think less of me. Don't care at all.

And that bud is your problem, the fact you don't care. The
difference between us is because I do care about a member being falsely insulted by pederasty. Who said I think less of you ? I didn't , I just think your judgment on this is massively flawed and your arguments are flawed, you have made some excellent posts previously to this tirade on this subject. I don't hate you i just do not understand how you can defend this position.
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08-11-2017, 01:50 PM
RE: Was Earmuffs banned?
(08-11-2017 01:40 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 01:29 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I really don't care if you think less of me. Don't care at all.

Well that's the difference between us, because I do care about a member being falsely insulted by pederasty. Who said I think less of you ? I didn't , I just think your judgment on this is massively flawed and your arguments are flawed, you have made some excellent posts previously i don't hate you i just do not understand how you can defend this position.
I'm not defending his position on making false claims of child rape.

I'm defending his position on being forced to apologise. However, I'm not currently sure if he was forced to apologise or not, perhaps it was just my perception. I'd like to gain some clarification on that.

Was Muffs demanded to apologise?

I'm still unclear as to why was he banned. Sure perhaps he literally asked to be banned, BUT, the moderators don't have to comply with this request. Just let him choose not to participate.

Was he continually making this accusation even when asked not to?
Was his false apology thread as a result of being backed into a corner by the mods?

There you go. Three questions that I find important for me to better understand this situation.
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08-11-2017, 01:57 PM
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(08-11-2017 01:40 PM)adey67 Wrote:  [quote='Stevil' pid='1265049' dateline='1510169391']
I really don't care if you think less of me. Don't care at all.

Sorry double post
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08-11-2017, 01:59 PM
RE: Was Earmuffs banned?
(08-11-2017 01:50 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I'm not defending his position on making false claims of child rape.

I'm defending his position on being forced to apologise. However, I'm not currently sure if he was forced to apologise or not, perhaps it was just my perception. I'd like to gain some clarification on that.

Was Muffs demanded to apologise?

I'm still unclear as to why was he banned. Sure perhaps he literally asked to be banned, BUT, the moderators don't have to comply with this request. Just let him choose not to participate.

Was he continually making this accusation even when asked not to?
Was his false apology thread as a result of being backed into a corner by the mods?

There you go. Three questions that I find important for me to better understand this situation.

I don't know all the answers to your questions, but moderators do not ban members, they ban bots and outright spam (Viagra sales etc.) Once in a while we have an especially persistent sock puppet and mods are asked to ban them on sight.

From what I heard, he literally asked to be banned rather then accept a temporary posting restriction (not sure of the details but only x number of posts and threads a day).

Muffs was just a kid when he started here, he practically grew up here and that is why many of us always felt protective of him. He did grow up though and was treated more like a responsible adult as time went.

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08-11-2017, 02:03 PM
RE: Was Earmuffs banned?
(08-11-2017 01:50 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(08-11-2017 01:40 PM)adey67 Wrote:  Well that's the difference between us, because I do care about a member being falsely insulted by pederasty. Who said I think less of you ? I didn't , I just think your judgment on this is massively flawed and your arguments are flawed, you have made some excellent posts previously i don't hate you i just do not understand how you can defend this position.
I'm not defending his position on making false claims of child rape.

I'm defending his position on being forced to apologise. However, I'm not currently sure if he was forced to apologise or not, perhaps it was just my perception. I'd like to gain some clarification on that.

Was Muffs demanded to apologise?

No, in fact we specifically did not ask him to.


(08-11-2017 01:50 PM)Stevil Wrote:  I'm still unclear as to why was he banned. Sure perhaps he literally asked to be banned, BUT, the moderators don't have to comply with this request. Just let him choose not to participate.

He was banned because he refused to accept a punishment for forum disruption and harassment, no part of that was a ban. He refused and asked to be banned instead of said punishment.


(08-11-2017 01:50 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Was he continually making this accusation even when asked not to?
Was his false apology thread as a result of being backed into a corner by the mods?

There you go. Three questions that I find important for me to better understand this situation.

As above no he chose to double down after being asked to lay off but at no time did the Forum team ever ask him to apologize, as it would have been pointless and he would have made a mockery of it.

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08-11-2017, 02:15 PM
RE: Was Earmuffs banned?
(08-11-2017 02:03 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  He was banned because he refused to accept a punishment for forum disruption and harassment, no part of that was a ban. He refused and asked to be banned instead of said punishment.
Revenant, thanks very much for addressing my questions.
I'm not a moderator, but here are my thoughts (for what they are worth)
You guys are the moderators, you have the power. You could have implemented the restrictions whether Muffs agreed or refused.
If your decision was to implement forum restrictions then you should have done that rather than outright banning him (even if he asked for it)

Personally, I don't agree with punishment, I only support preventative action. If Muffs was being disruptive and you thought he would continue to be, by creating multiple disruptive threads then it would make sense to restrict thread creation.



(08-11-2017 02:03 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  As above no he chose to double down after being asked to lay off but at no time did the Forum team ever ask him to apologize, as it would have been pointless and he would have made a mockery of it.
As you can probably imagine. I saw his "apology" thread and assumed that this is what happened.

I am glad he wasn't forced to apologise.
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08-11-2017, 02:21 PM
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(08-11-2017 01:59 PM)Dom Wrote:  Muffs was just a kid when he started here, he practically grew up here and that is why many of us always felt protective of him. He did grow up though and was treated more like a responsible adult as time went.
The guy clearly has some issues.

In my empathy state, I was hoping one day that he would tell us he has got on with his life rather than trying to hide his gayness. It seems a bit sad to me that someone can spend so many years of their life trying to be something that they are not in order to avoid judgement of others.

Perhaps accusations of "child rapist" is something gay people get accused of, and perhaps when insulting someone this came to mind for him, I'm not sure what brought it on. But I do think that potentially this storm in a teacup could have been dealt with in a way that didn't have such a dramatic conclusion.
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