Was Jesus Sexist?
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07-11-2016, 08:59 PM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2016 09:09 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Was Jesus Sexist?
If you take the Jesus story and discuss it in terms of "what were the personality traits of this fictional character" (as Her Majesty quickly pointed out with the quip about Aragorn's alleged vegetarianism), then I would say yes-and-no.

Yes, he was the product of a die-hard Patriarchal society, and as Reltzik pointed out he chose 12 male disciples-- think of all the centuries of oppression and degradation of women by Christian culture that could have been avoided if even one or two of the twelve he chose were women. Thanks to Paul's overt misogyny, only a few denominations even allow women to preach or be pastors, here in the 21st century! If Jesus really was God Incarnate™, then he could have done a world of good by the simple act of not choosing all-male followership, and emphasizing that women are equal in the eyes of God and have an important voice to bring to the table despite the misogyny of his culture.

On the other hand, as Reltzik pointed out, he didn't give a fuck about the conventional views of his time, and at a couple of points saved women from the Patriarchal assholes around him-- the harlot who was about to be (lawfully) stoned and the woman who washed Jesus' feet come immediately to mind. So while he did not do what a living god could have done in one simple act, he was not completely anti-woman, and we do ourselves no favors in the eyes of Christians with whom we discuss The Jesus Legend™ if we attack him as a misogynist.

Now, on to equally important discussions: Why did Lord Vader kill all of the children in the Temple under Order 66, rather than saving the youngest ones, who were still pliable enough to be influenced by the Dark Side, to be raised as Sith Apprentices? Did the Emperor just hate children? Surely just killing the kids who were old enough to stand up for the Jedi would have been enough to push Anakin over the edge to full-on Dark Lord with an Act of True Evil™.

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07-11-2016, 11:21 PM
RE: Was Jesus Sexist?
(07-11-2016 08:59 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Now, on to equally important discussions: Why did Lord Vader kill all of the children in the Temple under Order 66, rather than saving the youngest ones, who were still pliable enough to be influenced by the Dark Side, to be raised as Sith Apprentices? Did the Emperor just hate children? Surely just killing the kids who were old enough to stand up for the Jedi would have been enough to push Anakin over the edge to full-on Dark Lord with an Act of True Evil™.

The problem with this is that a moral fall is not a precision event. Sidious pushed Vader as far over the edge into anti-jedi hatred and paranoia and rage as possible, rather than aiming for the exact amount needed and no further. This had the added bonus of alienating Vader from his wife, mentor, and everyone else who might try to draw him back from the Dark Side.

In the end, Vader was the real prize. None of the children had nearly as high of a mitoclorian count, nor did they have the position, training, power, access, or knowledge needed to help finalize Sidious's coup. They might have been a nice bonus if Sidious could have gotten a few of them, but completing Vader's journey to the Dark Side was far more important.
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07-11-2016, 11:59 PM
RE: Was Jesus Sexist?
Nice, Reltz. Big Grin

I feel compelled to point out that when I say Jesus was a fictional character, I am not a Mythicist. There likely was a wandering apocalyptic rabbi walking around the Galilee, possibly a Nazarite or an Essene, probably named Yeshua, upon whom The Jesus Legend™ was loosely based. He may even have said some of the things attributed to him in later scriptures.

The "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior" dude we find in the Gospels (and a slightly different variant found in Paul's letters), however, is a total fiction. Discussing whether the Jesus of the Bible thinks/does/says "such-and-such" is definitely akin to wondering whether Aragorn was a vegetarian.

But since the Jesus legend may be based on a real person, Vader and Aragorn may be unfair comparisons. I'll say he's more akin to Paul Bunyan, who may have been based upon a real person (French-Canadian lumberjack Fabian Fournier, 1845-1875), but we can definitely say that the legend of "Paul Bunyan and Babe the Big Blue Ox" is just storytelling by generations of loggers that were disseminated into popular culture.

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