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08-11-2016, 11:36 PM
RE: Was Jesus a Mason, an Illuminati?
Chaldea[1] (/kælˈdiːə/) or Chaldaea[2] was a Semitic nation between the late 10th and mid-6th centuries BC, after which its peoples were absorbed into Babylonia.[3] It was located in the marshy land of the far southeastern corner of Mesopotamia and briefly came to rule Babylon.

During a period of weakness in the East Semitic speaking kingdom of Babylonia, new tribes of West Semitic-speaking migrants[4] arrived in the region from the Levant between the 11th and 9th centuries BC. The earliest waves consisted of Suteans and Arameans, followed a century or so later by the Kaldu, a group who became known later as the Chaldeans or the Chaldees. The Hebrew Bible uses the term כשדים (Kaśdim) and this is translated as Chaldaeans in the Septuagint, although there is some dispute as to whether Kasdim in fact means Chaldean. These migrations did not affect the powerful kingdom of Assyria to the north, which repelled these incursions.
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"The short-lived 11th dynasty of the Kings of Babylon (6th century BC) is conventionally known to historians as the Chaldean Dynasty, although the last rulers, Nabonidus and his son Belshazzar, were known to be from Assyria.[5]

These nomad Chaldeans settled in the far southeastern portion of Babylonia, chiefly on the right bank of the Euphrates. Though for a short time the name later commonly referred to the whole of southern Mesopotamia in Hebraic literature, this was a misnomer, as Chaldea proper was in fact only the plain in the far southeast formed by the deposits of the Euphrates and the Tigris, extending about four hundred miles along the course of these rivers, and averaging about a hundred miles in width."

And:
In the Hebrew Bible, the prophet Abraham is stated to have originally come from "Ur of the Chaldees" (Ur Kaśdim). If this city is identified with the ancient Sumerian city state of Ur, it would be within what would many centuries later become the Chaldean homeland south of the Euphrates. However, it must be pointed out that no evidence has yet been discovered indicating that the Chaldeans existed in Mesopotamia (or anywhere else in historical record) at the time Abraham (circa 1800–1700 BC) is believed to have existed, arriving some eight or nine hundred years later.[14] The traditional identification with a site in Assyria (a nation in Upper Mesopotamia predating Chaldea by well over thirteen hundred years, and never recorded in historical annals as ever having been inhabited by the much later arriving Chaldeans) would then imply the much later sense of "Babylonia". Some interpreters have additionally identified Abraham's birthplace with Chaldia in Anatolia on the Black Sea, a distinct region utterly unrelated geographically, culturally and ethnically to the southeast Mesopotamian Chaldea. According to the Book of Jubilees, Ur Kaśdim (and Chaldea) took their names from Ura and Kesed, descendants of Arpachshad. However, by the beginning of the 21st century, and despite sporadic attempts by more conservative theologically minded scholars such as Kenneth Kitchen to interpret these Biblical patriarchal narratives as actual true history, many modern archaeologists, orientalists and historians had "given up hope of recovering any context that would make Abraham, Isaac or Jacob credible or realistic 'historical figures'"[15]

So there you go.
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08-11-2016, 11:37 PM
RE: Was Jesus a Mason, an Illuminati?
All from Wiki.
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08-11-2016, 11:43 PM
RE: Was Jesus a Mason, an Illuminati?
There you have it. The OT has Abraham as a Chaldean and calls them astrologers, and they have Orion as the star configuration which is most prominent in November/December.

Speak, speak.

If this is right then the Hebrews had a star configuration which they venerated and which is prominent at the time of the alleged birth of Christ.

Stop the fraud on humanity.

Maybe Donald will do something. lol.

Woke up this morning and very rapidly was overcome by a deep sense of wanting to vomit. Thanks America for voting in a retarded orangutan as President.
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08-11-2016, 11:46 PM
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(08-11-2016 11:27 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(08-11-2016 02:09 PM)Chas Wrote:  Except there is no Orion in that list. You are now connecting totally imaginary dots. Drinking Beverage
The Hebrew word Mazarot, which literally means "constellations" or "zodiac", is used twice in the Hebrew Bible.[1] Specific constellations are also mentioned, such as Orion (named "Kesil" "כסיל", literally: "fool"; possibly etymologically connected with "Kislev", the name for the ninth month of the Hebrew calendar (i.e. November–December), which, in turn, may derive from the Hebrew root K-S-L as in the words "kesel, kisla" (כֵּסֶל, כִּסְלָה, hope, positiveness), that is, hope for winter rains), which is mentioned three times: Job 9:9 ("He is the maker of the Bear and Orion"), Job 38:31 ("Can you loosen Orion's belt?"), and Amos 5:8 ("He who made the Pleiades and Orion").

In the Hebrew Bible the prophets scoffed at "star-gazers" (hoverei ha-shamayim) in Isaiah 47:13 and Jeremiah 10:2. Astrologers from Babylon were called Kasdim/Kasdin (Chaldeans) in the Book of Daniel. In rabbinic literature, the term Chaldeans later was often used as a synonym with those who practiced astrology.

You didn't support it in your post, which is what I pointed out.

And that mish-mash above is all maybes and might bes. So, no.

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09-11-2016, 12:29 AM
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Jesus fuck this guys back? Weren't you supposed to be fucking int he general direction of off?

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09-11-2016, 07:59 AM (This post was last modified: 09-11-2016 08:04 AM by Deltabravo.)
RE: Was Jesus a Mason, an Illuminati?
(09-11-2016 12:29 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Jesus fuck this guys back? Weren't you supposed to be fucking int he general direction of off?

A Vulgarian!
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09-11-2016, 08:08 AM
RE: Was Jesus a Mason, an Illuminati?
So, anyway....

As I was saying. The origin myth of these people goes back to Hayek and to a society which built megalithic stone buildings with incredible precision.
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09-11-2016, 08:29 AM
RE: Was Jesus a Mason, an Illuminati?
(08-11-2016 01:52 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(08-11-2016 01:20 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Temper tantrums on TA. Grow up...and deal with the issues I raised.

The Judeo-Christian God is derived from a star formation in the shape of a man.

Discuss.

There's nothing to discuss.
You presented NO EVIDENCE or support for your dot connecting, fool.
Archaeologists and scholars KNOW where the Jews got their deity.
You don't as you are an ignorant idiot.
(It was not the stars).
Fuck you are stupid. The information is EASILY found. You'd rather play
"connect-my-imaginary-dots" than actually look for some real information.

Nothing new about that.

Abraham was not "from Ur". He was a myth. Your entire premise is BULLSHIT.
We have given you, multiple times the links to the archaeology that refutes this garbage. Repeating it, does not make it any more true.

You either can't read or you are just nuts. I have never said Abraham was a real person. He is supposed to have had a wife who was 900 years old or some such nonsense. If I said Batman was from Gotham City I suppose you would have to point out that he is a cartoon character.

Just grow up!
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10-11-2016, 02:13 AM
RE: Was Jesus a Mason, an Illuminati?
(09-11-2016 08:08 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  So, anyway....

As I was saying. The origin myth of these people goes back to Hayek and to a society which built megalithic stone buildings with incredible precision.

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10-11-2016, 06:37 AM
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(09-11-2016 08:29 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  You either can't read or you are just nuts... Just grow up!

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No

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